Learning is helping (supporting, stimulating, provoking, and many other possible verbs) someone else to teach. Teaching is – well, surely it involves changing, enhancing, extending one’s own knowledge, capabilities, values…
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From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Baume
Sent: 23 March 2012 16:33
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Subject: teaching and learning in the same word request from Danny Saunders
I’m enjoying this
I have a concern about using the same word – in any language – to mean both teaching and learning. By using the same word to mean both teaching and learning, we might suggest that teaching and learning are the same thing
As Dilly’s story vividly shows, they aren’t necessarily the same thing, whatever we may hope and intend
Teaching is (on a good day) helping (supporting, stimulating, provoking, and many other possible verbs) someone else to learn. Learning is – well, surely it involves changing, enhancing, extending one’s own knowledge, capabilities, values… Different functions.
As Dilly reminds us, of course it’s hard (but alas not impossible) to teach without the teacher at the same time learning. Which is why we’re all so smart. Cough. But I think that’s another story…
(Typical academic response – don’t try to answer the question, just critique it…)
David
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Sent: 23 March 2012 15:13
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Although I take the point about teaching as an intention to help someone learn, I rather like this semantic and conceptual conflation of teaching and learning. How often have we all heard the equivalent of, ‘I taught the students how to tie their shoelaces, but they still can’t do it’? I have long argued that the simple truth is that nothing is taught until it’s learned...
Just off to find my flip flops...
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Sent: 23 March 2012 15:04
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Subject: Re: teaching and learning in the same word request from Danny Saunders
In Dutch -much like South African, I expect, the same word can be used: leren. That said, if the verb 'leren' is followed by an indication of who exactly learns, it actually means 'I am making you learn' in that teaching kind of way.
So in literal translation:
'I learn you to tie shoelaces', means you are learning, I am teaching you.
'I learn to tie shoelaces', means I am learning.
In either case, you may want to note the weather today and swap your shoes for flip flops!
Gwen
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Sent: 23 March 2012 11:38
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It’s certainly common in many parts of Scotland too but actively discouraged by schools as being ungrammatical. On reading the examples from other languages, I’m now beginning to think there are actually some grounds for this dual meaning after all. Maybe local dialects get it right – we lose a lot of richness in our language when we discourage them.
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Linda
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Sent: 23 March 2012 10:27
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Subject: Re: teaching and learning in the same word request from Danny Saunders
And in many dialects of English, ‘learn’ is used for both, as in ‘She learned me how to ride a bike’. This was common in the West Country where I grew up – any other regional dialects that use ‘learn’ instead of ‘teach’?
Corony
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Sent: 23 March 2012 10:24
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Subject: Re: teaching and learning in the same word request from Danny Saunders
Yes, Danny. In Afrikaans the same word “[om te] leer” is used for “to teach” and “to learn”.
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Sent: 23 March 2012 09:00
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Subject: teaching and learning in the same word request from Danny Saunders
Dear SEDA colleagues
Do you know of any verbs where “to teach” and “to learn” are combined? In Welsh we have “dysgu” and I always thought this was unique – only to find that in the Maori language “ako “has the same function. There is also “uciti” in Croatian (please see below) – can you suggest any more?!
All best wishes
Danny
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Subject: RE: same word for learning and teaching
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:38:48 +0000
Hi Mirijana
Thank you for this lovely email and I would very much like to send an extract to other colleagues in educational development as I think we might start collecting verbs which mean to teach and to learn in different languages! Would you object if I therefore circulated the following please?
“I mentioned to a mature student ( I'm teaching her my mother tongue which is Croatian,
her father came to N.Z. from Yugoslavia in 1913 to work in the gumfields up North)
that you have found that the word to teach and to learn is the same in Maori as it is in Welsh
and she told me that it's the same in Croatian as well! And she's right.
In Croatian you can "uciti" (the c has a little v over it and it's sounded as a ch sound in English) something
or "uciti" someone something.
I suspect all the Slavic languages follow suit but I would need to check that out.
With all best wishes
Danny
Prof Danny Saunders OBE Yr Athro Danny Saunders OBE
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