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That sounds like an interesting idea! But I have nothing to do with Primo/implementation/etc here (not in the hands of the cataloguers). It would be interesting to see how much people do use the tag facilities - we also have an option for book reviews, does anyone else have that, and if so has it been utilised much? I can't imagine students would be that bothered to write reviews (or add lots of tags), but I'm probably wrong! Karen Dr Karen F. Pierce Cataloguing Librarian Cardiff University Information Services 1st Floor, McKenzie House 30-36 Newport Road Cardiff CF24 0DE http://darksideofthecatalogue.wordpress.com/ http://scolarcardiff.wordpress.com/ From: "Welsh, Anne" <[log in to unmask]> To: Karen Pierce <[log in to unmask]>, "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Date: 29/03/2012 12:17 Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Tagging [was RE: Day 1 summary of discussions] Can you bundle it up as a pilot scheme and perhaps even get a small piece of action research out of it? That might make it easier to "sell" to a staff member as a task (finite period initially plus case study = publication opportunity)? Just a thought … Anne (lurking more quietly today than yesterday). From: Karen Pierce <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Karen Pierce <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:12:37 +0100 To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Tagging [was RE: Day 1 summary of discussions] Am interested in hearing all the pro-tagging comments, and feeling more swayed to the idea. I've just checked, and with Primo the user would indeed have to sign in to create a tag so I guess that would put off people from abusing the system. We've had trouble in the past assigning subject headings to theses, as they can be incredibly specific (and very difficult to understand with engineering, chemistry, medical sciences, etc etc); in fact we no longer add headings to theses (as a time saving exercise, rather than due to difficulties). I guess crowd sourcing would work, if enough people bothered. I shall have to find out who will be keeping an eye on the tags here, and see if they can give feedback to the staff in a years time. (I'm now more curious!) Karen Dr Karen F. Pierce Cataloguing Librarian Cardiff University Information Services 1st Floor, McKenzie House 30-36 Newport Road Cardiff CF24 0DE http://darksideofthecatalogue.wordpress.com/ http://scolarcardiff.wordpress.com/ From: Claire Sewell <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: 29/03/2012 11:58 Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Tagging [was RE: Day 1 summary of discussions] Sent by: CIG E-Forum <[log in to unmask]> I agree. Although subject headings should remain, I think that tagging has its place. I work in a legal deposit library where we get material on every subject. Some items are just so technical (thinking maths and science books) that I would have no idea where to start with subject headings. Maybe in these circumstances, doing a bit of crowd sourcing would be a good idea? The mathematics student would know what the book is about and how his peers are likely to search for it. I think tagging would help in this kind of situation. On 29/03/2012 11:07, Nicky Ransom wrote: I am constantly being told by subject librarians that students don’t understand LCSH and they don’t use those terms to search for resources, so perhaps allowing them to add their own terms might be a useful addition to the catalogue. It certainly wouldn’t replace ‘proper’ subject terms, I don’t think, but it would add another layer to the catalogue data. Nicky Ransom Data Quality Manager & Cataloguer University for the Creative Arts From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Pierce Sent: 29 March 2012 11:04 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Fwd: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Day 1 summary of discussions I'm beginning to think we should put our department cataloguing manual into a wiki - its currently just in word format and needs overhauling anyway. It would be good to be able to add all those extra bits that come up throughout the year into one place. Re social tagging in catalogues - we are just implementing Primo (NOT my favourite thing, but never mind), I think there is a facility in it to allow users to tag books etc. I must admit I have my concerns about what kinds of tags will be used, lack of consistency, etc. Our records already have subject headings on them using controlled vocabularies, do they really need random tags? Or am I just being an old-fashioned fuddy duddy? Do students want to embrace their own tags and ignore our headings? Karen Dr Karen F. Pierce Cataloguing Librarian Cardiff University Information Services 1st Floor, McKenzie House 30-36 Newport Road Cardiff CF24 0DE http://darksideofthecatalogue.wordpress.com/ http://scolarcardiff.wordpress.com/ From: Esther Arens <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: 29/03/2012 10:57 Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Fwd: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Day 1 summary of discussions Sent by: CIG E-Forum <[log in to unmask]> Yes, I was wondering if a small team would really need a wiki but with so much detailed knowledge that none of us learned in library school (or somewhere else) and that isn't in some edition (print or web) of AACR, Dewey etc. I expect to find it useful - esp. for that things that only come round once a year. On the topic of social tagging in catalogues: apart from the need for critical mass there's also the question whether to moderate these things or maybe a weighted way of ratings e.g. give staff or lecturers or leaders/members of a reading group more weights. After all we're information curators not just aggregators. Esther -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:49:38 +0200 Von: Esther Arens <[log in to unmask]> An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: [CIG-E-FORUM] Fwd: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Day 1 summary of discussions -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:41:21 +0100 Von: Tabitha Driver <[log in to unmask]> An: Esther Arens <[log in to unmask]> Betreff: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Day 1 summary of discussions Good morning from someone else who silently enjoyed yesterday's discussion and helpful summary. Benefits of a wiki format for manuals etc seem great. We don't use them at my library, because of the small number of staff, but for a larger organisation, the collaborative character of a wiki, combined with version control would be ideal. You'd still need editorial control though - which is what concerns me about social tagging in smallish catalogues (not much abt that yesterday?). Tabitha Driver ________________________________ Quakers say: Each person is unique, precious, a child of God. -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de