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Striking to remember that in the UK > the mainstream was overwhelmingly more populous (and > consequently must be conceded to be far richer in > imaginative capital) than the comparatively tiny underground > scene I just returned from Patagonia, where sheep far outnumber people. But they all dress alike. -----Original Message----- >From: GILES GOODLAND <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Mar 15, 2012 9:38 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: MS poets doing Non MS things / Writers Forum > >HI Michael > >linked to this theme > >I have just received in the post my contributor's copy of Adventures in Form publised by Penned in the Margins. I have hardly begun to read it yet, but it is a completely intriguing mix of MS and NMS (as the current argot is), the interesting thing being that many MS poet are attempting forms traditionally conceived as avant garde (Roddy Lumsden making concrete poetry for instance) > >some may find his outrageous...I am going to read the book before I pass any judgements -- the key and positive thing being it is mixing thigs up > > > >--- On Thu, 15/3/12, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: Writers Forum Workshop >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Thursday, 15 March, 2012, 12:54 >> Yes... it never takes me long to say >> No to him (e.g: http://www.intercapillaryspace.org/2012/03/mac-lows-diastic-process-in-gale.html >> ).... but amazedly ... for who else knows as much >> about all this, who else has really engaged with this range >> of UK poetry and can talk about it (comprehensibly, for the >> most part)? And I'm often surprised. >> >> A fantastic (and typically long) new post just showed, BTW, >> supplemental to the forthcoming book: >> >> http://angelexhaust.blogspot.com/2012/03/long-1950s.html >> >> This book: - having completed his underground history for >> the moment, it's time for AD to focus on the >> mainstream. He suggests 6,000 practitioners in the >> thirty years or so of his coverage. Striking to remember >> (whatever may be the case in the US, where Silliman has >> constantly attacked the "School of Quietude" 's claim to >> represent the unmarked case in US poetry), that in the UK >> the mainstream was overwhelmingly more populous (and >> consequently must be conceded to be far richer in >> imaginative capital) than the comparatively tiny underground >> scene, for all that WF could knock out publications by the >> gross. This might have changed since, my impression on the >> internet is that a very large number of younger writers, >> maybe even the majority, have experimental >> affiliations and stylings but it's more of a t-shirt than an >> ingrained praxis and maybe this changes the relationship >> between the poles on Duncan's map. But it's still difficult >> to say, because large areas of the mainstream hinterland >> (whoops, mixed geographical metaphors) may easily be >> overlooked because they're entirely uninterested in >> self-definition or staking out a theoretical poetic. >> >> AD's research line is generally drawn at 1997, around the >> appearance of the Internet. Is that because thereafter it's >> no longer sustainable (was it ever?) to pretend to >> understand UK poetry without theorizing US poetry? Discuss. >> >>