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Hmmm. "This whole 'I'm communicating science therefore I'm a science communicator' argument doesn't really holds up if you're only ever communicating with your students and your peer group." I'm afraid I disagree with this part of your email - the words are right there. It's a bit like saying someone who writes songs cannot be described as a song writer, just because they only write books for a particular audience. "There's nothing in this lecturer vacancy description which obliges the post holder to do anything whatsoever with the public. This list is for those who engage the public - the title of this list is 'psci-com: on public engagement with science'?" That bit I accept - as I said before, it was my own misjudgement to submit it to this list. But I still maintain that it is a science communication role, just one not suited for this distribution list. I have to say that given some roles previously mentioned here are for engaging with specific groups of people (e.g. schools within a classroom setting which to me does not count as members of the public), that my impression was that "public engagement" is a) quite a subjective term and b) not one strictly upheld on the list, hence why I thought the post was suitable. Once again, sorry!! -- Rhys Phillips Lightning, Electrostatics & EMH x4704 -----Original Message----- From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of London Science Festival Sent: 27 February 2012 19:29 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job Vacancy This whole 'I'm communicating science therefore I'm a science communicator' argument doesn't really holds up if you're only ever communicating with your students and your peer group. There's nothing in this lecturer vacancy description which obliges the post holder to do anything whatsoever with the public. This list is for those who engage the public - the title of this list is 'psci-com: on public engagement with science'? Best, Wynn -----Original Message----- From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phillips, Rhys Sent: 27 February 2012 19:22 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job Vacancy Hi Francis, The ability to communicate may well come last on the criteria. However if someone is interested in communicating science and lecturing is a form of communication, then surely that same person may well be interested in lecturing on a science subject? Rhys -- Rhys Phillips Lightning, Electrostatics & EMH x4704 -----Original Message----- From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Francis Sedgemore Sent: 27 February 2012 18:51 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job Vacancy As MK says, the ability to communicate normally comes last on the list of criteria used to assess candidates for most university teaching positions. What matters is research experience and potential, and for that reason lectureships should not be advertised here. Send them instead to jobs.ac.uk. Teaching fellowships and the like are another matter. Some of us professional science communicators are recovering academics, but all it takes is one or two years out of the loop, and one's university research and teaching career is toast. Francis -- Dr Francis Sedgemore journalist and science writer www.sedgemore.com > -----Original Message----- > From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:PSCI- > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phillips, Rhys > Sent: 27 February 2012 18:08 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job Vacancy > > Hi Wynn, > > I agree that those roles are a vital part of science communication. I was using > those examples to make my point (perhaps not very well!) that just because > your job doesn't involve actively presenting at a science museum or giving > talks to schools for example, that doesn't mean it isn't science > communication. Relevant press jobs are of course a form of science > communication. > > But to me, so is lecturing on science topics - lecturing by definition is a form of > communication. Therefore I don't see how it does not count as Science > Communication. I don't think the institutional strategy / mission statement is > even needed - to me it is fairly simple. If the position was purely a research > position then that would perhaps be different. > > Rhys > > -- > Rhys Phillips > Lightning, Electrostatics & EMH > x4704 ********************************************************************** Further information about the psci-com discussion list, including list archive, can be found at the list web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/psci-com.html You may also change your settings and subscribe/unsubscribe to psci-com from the web site. Psci-com is part of the National Academic Mailing List Service, known as 'JISCMail'. It adheres to the JISCMail Acceptable Use Policy: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/acceptableuse.html and to the JISCMail guidelines for etiquette: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/etiquette.html Email commands: 1. 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