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Dear all,
Burton is an interesting (and possibly misleading example) as the parish is indeed within the bounds of Burton Upon Trent but is only one of several (according to the OS) covering what most people (including me) would assume to be the actual town.
 
Phil
 

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Blake, Suzy (Place)
Sent: 13 February 2012 13:28
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Subject: FW: Heritage Gateway CDP/Administrative Location Prototype search - for comment please by 22nd February 2012

 

Having just checked the pilot Burton is there (just as neither on-Trent or upon-Trent) as follows:

 

Burton(County = Staffordshire, District = East Staffordshire)”

 

I would assume that most residents would know that it is at least in Staffordshire!

 

Debbie

 

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Wardle
Sent: 13 February 2012 13:00
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Subject: Re: Heritage Gateway CDP/Administrative Location Prototype search - for comment please by 22nd February 2012

 

Having now checked it find Burton upon Trent to be an interesting example of the ‘admin area’ problem.

 

Burton is a non-parished area in East Staffs borough in Staffordshire. I seem to recall that from 1850-60 it was the smallest town with the status of a Borough in England. It lost that status sometime in the C20th, and the county boundary was jiggled so that the suburbs on the east side of the Trent were transferred from Derbyshire to Staffordshire.

 

So, if I were a resident of Burton wanting to see what archaeology there was in my area and with a none too clear idea of admin boundaries, I might type ‘Burton’ into the admin area. It comes up with a lengthy list of Burtons, but either ‘Burton-upon-Trent’ nor Burton-on-Trent’ is not amongst them.

 

Beyond that there is the lottery that is the ‘place/site name/name’. Do I insert hyphens? Do I use ‘upon’ or ‘on’?    

 

 

Chris Wardle

City Archaeologist

Planning & Economic Development

A11, New Walk Centre

Leicester. LE1 6ZG

 

From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Louisa Matthews
Sent: 13 February 2012 11:50
To: Issues related to Historic Environment Records; Chris Wardle
Subject: Re: Heritage Gateway CDP/Administrative Location Prototype search - for comment please by 22nd February 2012

 

I suggest we just pretend that's not happening (-;

 

No, seriously, I suppose I should have said 'Admin area address' as opposed to 'postal address'. Indeed, the two can be quite different.

 

However, anyone looking Burton-upon-Trent (or any other town) would have to use the other search box, either Place/Site Name/Street Name or the Map Search, as it's not a parish or district (or is it?!). That search doesn't display any additional auto complete as you type - but perhaps it could, and this could be the (alternate) Royal Mail Address?

 

Louisa

 

 

From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Wardle
Sent: 13 February 2012 10:21
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Subject: Re: Heritage Gateway CDP/Administrative Location Prototype search - for comment please by 22nd February 2012

 

Hi Louisa,

 

Good point, but what happens when the postal address places a whole town somewhere other than the admin county?

Burton upon Trent is in Staffs, but has a ‘DE’ postal address.

 

Chris

 


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