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Gosh scissors I thought immediately self harm! shows my friends are different from yours!! Meaning-meandering P But what colour spoon? HHGTTG Pps I do not dare grind my teeth as they would all crumble turn to dust blow away -----Original Message----- From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lawrence Upton Sent: 25 January 2012 11:21 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Surprise snap Ah Andrew This all sounds familiar, assuming _scissors_ indicates cut up rather than self-harm. & I muttered something myself yesterday about habit. After I had sent this morning's message, I wondered about my reference to _meaning_ I do aim for it quite often. In the landscape poems, for instance; but there are many kinds of meaning; and actually it drives me some way up the wall when people ask: What does it mean? or: I don't know what it means? (They mean the kind of meaning one expects of a training manual -- I saw a tv recently -- yes! -- and an advertisement which slated recipe books as being hard to follow and proposed its own recipe cards with little sachets of herbs measured out. For those of us who ask: What do you mean by _a teaspoon_? What do you mean by 5 grams?) I seem to have slipped into Mr Tranter's tarpit There's something holistic, I suppose, in being surprised by one's own poem on the subject of surprise L On Wed, January 25, 2012 10:46, Andrew Burke wrote: > Oh, yes, I often try to get out of my own pedestrian way when I write. > I've > tried drugs, I've tried scissors, I've tried Oulipo tricks, but too > much logic still imposes itself on my further drafts. 'The tar pit of > habit', as Tranter calls it, dulls the edge. > > > As to meaning, I don't bother about such aims. > > > Andrew > > > On 25 January 2012 16:54, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >> Hi Andrew >> >> >> I'm not sure what I mean either >> >> >> When my copy came back to me, I did have a rather wobbly moment, >> standing outside of myself a little, and thinking: What the hell's he >> talking about? >> >> and yet >> >> maybe not quite recognising the meaning is a good sign >> >> that's going to be my story >> >> thanks >> >> L >> >> >> >> On Wed, January 25, 2012 08:26, Andrew Burke wrote: >> >>> Like it! Not sure what You meant, but I know what I got out of it! >>> As so often. Do it again. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 January 2012 15:50, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> The jaw drops >>>> Brain falls >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope tightens >>>> A cartoon world closes frameless. >>>> Weak glimmer in brief memory. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Page end. >>>> Turn over. Do it again. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andrew >>> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.mullamullapress.com/QWERTY >>> BLUE ROSE enovel avail. at Amazon, Smashwords and >>> http://etextpress.com/books.htm >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ----- >> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton >> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover >> Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 >> wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- >> >> > > > > -- > Andrew > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ > http://www.mullamullapress.com/QWERTY > BLUE ROSE enovel avail. at Amazon, Smashwords and > http://etextpress.com/books.htm > > ----- UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 wfuk.org.uk/blog ----