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I am so old big L that I think that I am out of copyright But how about 'Raynes Park Rat's Arse'? has a ring about it :-) P rat arsed -----Original Message----- From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lawrence Upton Sent: 07 January 2012 10:16 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Periglis It's quite a long-standing concept, Patrick I think it's out of copyright L On Fri, January 6, 2012 16:08, Patrick McManus wrote: > 'Rats Arse' what a wonderful title for a poetry book! is it copyright? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > On Behalf Of Lawrence Upton > Sent: 06 January 2012 14:09 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Periglis > > > local artists? > > like sand on the shore > > some of them are technically rather fine; and I used to go and visit > one on another island in particular who had a sort of open house for a > few hours a day when you could go and talk to him and he'd pretend to > listen > > room full of reasonably priced tourist bait and one bin of what really > interested him -- small details of rocks, odd shadows... photos and > prints and paintings -- but they didnt sell much > > many technically proficient, but... Goes back to something Hockney > said the other day, which I have *some empathy with -- the need for > tech ability and for that element he called _poetry_ > > i expect he wouldnt tolerate what i would; i am quite interested in > the products of incompetence; but he's on to something > > i used to say (without realising i *always said it) _what he/she does > is really rather well done; I just don't know why anyone would want to > do it_ > > i stopped after someone said _i thought you'd say that; you always say > that; I don't find it funny any more: why don't you just say you think > it's well made rubbish_ & she was right, I suppose... now i just shove > apples in my cheeks and grin like that guy in Catch 22 > > * > > > someone on the islands i regard as a friend was nonplussed by my > snapshots book -- there's one about a diy weather vane and i > emphasised that one to him because it's really there, on the periglis > shore actually so you can see what i say i am describing - the poem's > a straightforward thing about it and its shadows and its inversions > (maybe _normal_ people don't read things backwards) -- seeing NES > (Greek tourist slang for ersatz > coffee) and SEN (as in blood). I was pleased with it in a downbeat > sort of way, and the whole book was aimed at gig audiences who don't > see themselves as followers of the avantgarde -- I used to get quite a > few of those... but my friend, who is informed and intelligent, > declared the book too intellectual for him > > it's depressing... my poem was about as intellectual as a rat's arse > > i have done the occasional peculiar postcard > > b-c me an address and I might send you one > > * > > > micturating > > L > > > > > On Fri, January 6, 2012 13:40, Patrick McManus wrote: > >> now, who shal i send THIS to? Those shals on the seashore?? >> >> >> How about a series of postcards with your paintings on one side and >> porth poems on the other-or half and half -very yummy for the >> tourist trade (the upmarket bit!)- from local poet and artist etc >> don't bother with those poetry antpamphlets scene no money there!L >> Upton Cheers Patrick micturing wildly What about the Porth in the >> three musketeers!!(this is one of my very rare lit refs!) Are there >> porths in Portugal?? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> On Behalf Of Lawrence Upton >> Sent: 06 January 2012 12:39 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Periglis >> >> >> >> Hi Patrick >> >> >> >>> L Powerful thanks seems deporthed??? I like the micture of massive >>> and tiny Sometimes we get three porths now it has flown with the >>> small thrush >>> >>> >> >> Once, I believe, I presented three porths, looking down the length of >> a bar dividing perconger and the cove (which must once have been >> called _porth_ before english prevailed. It was difficult to avoid >> and I lapsed -- at your prompt I did take another route; for which I >> thank you >> >> This, Perconger, is a very stony porth, swamped land, swamped over >> recent centuries -- that was undoubtedly in my mind, I refer to it >> in another verse -- and the tide goes out quite far. The difference >> between high and low is spectacular though you have to live there a >> day or 2 to get it >> >> _micture_ is what you get at the outflow of a communal urinal, surely >> >> >> >> i feel i have something right with your reference to _big and tiny_. >> That is there, in what the poemeye is looking at. No alps etc, you >> have to search for physical sublimes though the sea can be alarming >> if you think on it. It's the smallness and lowness of it all out in >> all that ocean, brevity of life among the aeons - the venerable bede >> running in at one door and out the other before we've had a chance to >> offer him a cup of tea [an allusion that will be quite silly if you >> don't know the ref... sorry... bede, i think it was he, likened a >> human life to a bird flying in and through and out of a room -- >> whoosh -- done >> >> >> i felt that this morning when i got out of bed >> >> i'll shut up now >> >> now, who shal i send THIS to? >> >> L >> >> >> >> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lawrence Upton >>> Sent: 06 January 2012 12:11 >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Periglis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Low tide. The sea has finished with this lot: >>> a stone gathering greater than the last judgment, every stone naked >>> of earth covering, visible; ocean shallowed of all tide power. >>> >>> This can be ignored. It is not the end of anything, only the dead >>> interval between quick and quicker events, big waves and plenty to >>> take our minds off a while. >>> >>> Nevertheless, it's here in this morning. >>> A herring gull gasps in lieu of a song and seems to shout "horror" >>> over the fields. >>> >>> Meanwhile, on a bough, a small thrush composes, choosing from >>> repertoires of known phrases, never quite repeating, not quite >>> repeating >>> >>> >>> [_Periglis_ from _Porth Eglos_ or _Landing Place at the Church_, - >>> _Porth_ has been taken as a synonym for _cove_ ] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton >>> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 >>> wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- >>> >>> >> >> >> ----- >> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton >> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover >> Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 >> wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- >> >> > > > ----- > UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton > 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover > Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 > wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- > > ----- UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 wfuk.org.uk/blog ----