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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture It's not hard to imagine certain convents and monasteries producing such items continuously for centuries, and marketing them to those in the know. I can't say for sure, but I suspect that would be the situation today -- at least until the arrival of Anne's website and its ilk -- and probably also in the Middle Ages. You got to be "in the know" via the usual sorts of networks. -- Paul On 18 January 2012 10:41, George FERZOCO <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Very interesting, Paul. You've made me look again at the web site to which > Anne initially referred, and I note that there are mentions of how the site > sells: > > - 'traditional full length and half length chains produced by Italian nuns' > > - 'An authentic cord or 'Cincture' of St Francis beautifully made for [the > site] by Franciscans' > > - 'Metal and elasticised cord discipline made by Italian Nuns' > > - 'Chain metal Discipline hand made by Italian Nuns' > > - 'Light-weight full length waist cilice made by Italian Nuns' > > Most items lack a provenance, however. And one must note that despite the > frequent descriptions of the benefits of discipline, the disclaimer reads: > 'These Cilice belts are intended as collector's items for display purposes > only. Cilice belts have the potential to inflict discomfort and/or harm to > the individual if used and it is the individual (purchaser or user) that > must accept responsibility for any harm inflicted. Use of these belts is > entirely at the purchasers/users risk. [The seller] cannot be held > responsible for subsequent harm. All purchasers must be at least 18 years > of age.' It makes me wonder if, tacitly at least, similar disclaimers, > expressed in the medieval idiom, might have existed or not. > > One final thought. Francis of Assisi famously wore clothes that were > patchwork quilts; might part of the aim of such clothes been to inflict > pain on himself? > > Best wishes, George > > -- > George FERZOCO > [log in to unmask] > > > On 17 Jan 2012, at 22:55, Paul Chandler wrote: > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > On 18 January 2012 00:16, MAUREEN A TILLEY <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > In your quest to find how medievals found their instruments of > mortification, don't ignore recycling within religious orders. > > > > Also I wouldn't ignore specialist production by convents as a means of > financial support. I don't see why such items wouldn't also have found > their way into shops if and when there was demand. I imagine many > monasteries had in-house production of such items, as they did for habits > and the like. > > > > The Trappists at Tre Fontane in Rome, so I was told, is the place to go > to buy a knotted-cord discipline, but I did not investigate (there's > nothing like this on their modern website, only liqueurs). -- Paul > > > -- Paul Chandler, O.Carm. Holy Spirit Seminary | PO Box 18 (487 Earnshaw Road) | Banyo Qld 4014 | Australia office: (07) 3246 9888 | home: (07) 3246 9894 [log in to unmask] ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html