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Hi Hugh, An interesting point, although HE9.1 is quite explicit in stating that scheduled monuments are 'assets of the highest significance'. I suspect it all goes down to two things:- -When more dual designated churchyard crosses were designated the listing people thought, 'Oh, that's very old. It should therefore be listed, but it isn't really that interesting from an architectural view-point, so we'll go for grade II.' Whereas the then separate scheduling people thought, 'Oh, that's very old it should be scheduled.' -Lack of EH resources to do address the issue: Back in the long lost days of MPP they might have been able to address these issue. However, in the early to mid-1990s someone decided MPP was taking up too many resources and let it wither on the vine. It would have been interesting to have seen how EH would have addressed the issue of single designation had HPR ever have passed into law. I suspect that limitations upon HE resources would have meant that dual designations would have only been addressed on a case by case basis, as they arose rather than systematically. As for your AA battery, you should probably be grateful they are considering listing it rather than scheduling it. This is because for all the ruffled feathers on display when that guy issued the comparative graphs for the number of listings against the numbers of schedulings, you are far more likely to get an asset listed than you are to get it scheduled. I recently tried to get an site scheduled (not one in Leicester) and have been given the distinct impression that the folk dealing with it don't really do scheduling. Chris Wardle City Archaeologist Planning & Economic Development A11, New Walk Centre Leicester. LE1 6ZG From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hugh Winfield Sent: 26 January 2012 13:31 To: Issues related to Historic Environment Records; Chris Wardle Subject: Dual Designated Sites and PPS5 Afternoon All, This is a bit of a philosophical question rather than any kind of practical concern, so feel free to delete! PPS5 (HE9.1) implies that a scheduled monument is roughly equivalent to a Grade II* (two star) or I (one) Listed Building - so why are dual designated sites, such as churchyard crosses, so often only Grade II (two)? This is something that I have been thinking about since my Scheduling request for a WW2 5.25" Heavy Anti Aircraft Battery was changed to a Listing case and I started to think about what Grade it would come out as There are two HAA batteries on the List and both are Grade II (two); however, with the vast majority of these sites being Scheduled I have to wonder if II* (Two Star) is more suitable, if Listing is even appropriate in the first place! Maybe I'm over thinking things (I have had an extremely long time to think about this case), but I'd like to know if anyone else has thought about this, Cheers, Hugh Hugh Winfield Archaeologist and Historic Environment Record Officer Development Management Origin One, Origin Way Europarc, Grimsby North East Lincolnshire DN37 9TZ Tel: (01472) 32 3586 Fax: (01472) 32 4216 Access maps of the Archaeological and Historic sites, buildings and monuments in North East Lincolnshire here: http://isharemaps.nelincs.gov.uk/mynelc.aspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ P Reduce your environmental footprint, please do not print this email unless you really need to. This electronic message contains information from North East Lincolnshire Council which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please telephone or email the number(s) or address above immediately. Activity and use of the North East Lincolnshire email system is monitored to secure its effective operation and for other lawful business purposes. Communications using this system will also be monitored and may be recorded to secure effective operation and for other lawful business purposes. Scanned by Anti Virus Software