Hugh – definitely positive interest,
rest assured. Thanks for the more archaeological example.
Nick
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Sent: 18 January 2012 17:20
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Nick,
Is that positive interest? The case on the
docks is rather complicated and I can't discuss on an open forum, but if anyone
would like to discuss our use of an Article 4 to control demolition I'd be
happy to talk off-list.
With regards to the subject of Archaeology
on a Local List, here's one of my examples (excluding the pictures) that I
hope to get approved as part of the update of the
Name: Medieval
Waterfront at the Riverhead,
Date Designated: N/A –
New Proposal
Grid Reference: TA 2700
0950
Conservation Area: None
Description
Archaeological trial excavations carried out in 1986 in
the south east angle of the junction between the River Freshney and the
Riverhead dock found the well preserved remains of the timber medieval dock
wall and a later 18th century timber dock wall.
The survival of these waterfronts is truly exceptional and
they should be considered to be of national interest in their own rights.
The associated archaeological deposits behind the walls and
also in the former dock basin will be of extremely high importance for their
potential to provide unique information on the activities of the port and its
influence on the growth and development of the town.
A site like this which is in an Urban area
(under a public open space)and where it is unlikely that I'd be able to define
the site with 100% certainty is extremely unlikely to be scheduled, but it
is still (in my opinion anyway) of national interest. I can estimate it's
position, based on the trial excavation and historic maps, well enough to put a
polygon around it and it's inclusion in the Local List should mean that no one can
claim ignorance that a very important feature is on the site.
I know some people are worried about
making other sites seem unimportant, but I'm hoping that there is enough case
evidence for undesignated buildings and archaeological sites being successfully
defended in the planning process that a more elaborately hierarchical structure
won't cause more than a few teething issues (fingers and toes crossed).
Cheers,
Hugh
Hugh
Winfield
Archaeologist and Historic Environment Record Officer
Development
Management
Origin
Europarc,
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Sent: 18 January 2012 16:52
To: Winfield, Hugh
Subject: Re: HELM
Good point Hugh – I took great
interest as did my Conservation colleagues in your recent use of Article 4s in
The relevant section from the EH guidance
on Local Lists here is:
3.3.4. Handling assets of potential national
importance
In certain cases assets of potential statutory or national importance
may be identified as part of the local listing process. In such situations
– for instance where a selection panel feels that an asset meets the
criteria for national designation – nominations should be referred to
English Heritage in the normal manner.
Nick Crank
Senior
Archaeological Officer
T: 01908 254259
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Sent: 18 January 2012 16:48
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You can easily put in the description that
they are "probably" or "possibly" of national importance,
and then you have a combination of Cabinet/Committee approval and PPS5
backing you up for treating them in the planning process as equivalent
importance to Scheduled Monuments. I think Local List inclusion for Urban
sites, which are unsuitable for Scheduling, is very important.
Parks and Gardens are another where I
think there is something, somewhere, saying that the Register is vastly
under-representative of the actual number of nationally important sites.
Hugh
Winfield
Archaeologist and Historic Environment Record Officer
Development
Management
Origin
Europarc,
North
DN37 9TZ
Tel: (01472) 32 3586 Fax: (01472) 32 4216
Access
maps of the Archaeological and Historic sites, buildings and monuments in North
East Lincolnshire here: http://isharemaps.nelincs.gov.uk/mynelc.aspx
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Sent: 18 January 2012 16:36
To: Winfield, Hugh
Subject: Re: HELM
No - local listing does not exclude full
listing, surely it is better than having no protection at all.
David Evans
Historic Environment Record Officer
(Postal Address)
Strategic Planning Policy & Specialist
Advice
Department of Environment and Community
Services
The Council Offices,
Thornbury
BS35 9BP
Phone: 01454 863649
fax:
01454 864473
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Sent: 18 January 2012 16:33
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Really?
But surely by putting them on a local list
you are acknowledging that these monuments are of less than national
importance? HE9.6 makes no mention of Local Lists.
The relevant policy here is HE2: Evidence
Base for Plan Making
Regards
Nick Crank
Senior
Archaeological Officer
T: 01908 254259
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Sent: 18 January 2012 16:09
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Sarah,
Yes, this of
particular interest because EH has more or less conceded (see PPS5: HE9.6) that
there is a considerable number of monuments that warrant scheduling but which
have not been designated. In the short term local listing would appear to offer
them the best chance of enhancing the level of protection that they enjoy until
EH can get its act together.
Regards
Chris
Chris Wardle
City Archaeologist
Planning & Economic
Development
A11, New Walk Centre
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Sent: 18 January 2012 15:53
To:
Subject: Re: HELM
Sarah,
I was hoping to go to one of these, I
think there is one in
Cheers,
Hugh
Hugh
Winfield
Archaeologist and Historic Environment Record Officer
Development
Management
Origin
Europarc,
North
DN37 9TZ
Tel: (01472) 32 3586 Fax: (01472) 32 4216
Access
maps of the Archaeological and Historic sites, buildings and monuments in North
East Lincolnshire here: http://isharemaps.nelincs.gov.uk/mynelc.aspx
From:
Sent: 18 January 2012 11:44
To: Winfield, Hugh
Subject: HELM
Dear all,
Please see information received from HELM with regards
upcoming Local Lists training course.
Developing a Local List for Local Authorities
HELM
8th March 2012,
This event introduces the English Heritage guidance on
developing a local list (to be released early 2012). It will provide practical
support and examples of good practice for any local authorities seeking to
implement or improve a local list. It will also help decision makers understand
the place of local lists in planning policy and the value of local heritage to
the community
For more information, including booking form, please see
attached leaflet.
best wishes
Sarah MacLean
Sarah MacLean
Heritage Information Partnerships Supervisor
English Heritage
Designations Department
Engine House
Firefly Avenue
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