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Popular movies perturb. Remember its flat, so a person messaging in the cinema perturbs me as much (not in a qualitative sense) as what Malick is doing on the screen. Transformers perturbs. Good luck to them if they can make it. Our own ideas always get in the way though rwm From: Film-Philosophy [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank, Michael Sent: Monday, 30 January 2012 7:05 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [FILM-PHILOSOPHY] Go for broke, it's more fun hard to know what to make of this . . .but one thing is for sure, my filmmaker students have no interest in perturbing anything . . . they wanna learn how to make successful poplar movies . . . anything that gets in the way ["perturbs"] the path to those skills is worthless to them m From: Film-Philosophy [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of russell manning Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:48 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [FILM-PHILOSOPHY] Go for broke, it's more fun People make films, people make ideas. If ideas are things then we all do the same thing. In a flat ontology theory and praxis come together because they both perturb the world. Godard jump cut perturbed. Metz writing about it perturbed. New ideas and new film techniques followed. rwm From: Film-Philosophy [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chuck Kleinhans Sent: Monday, 30 January 2012 6:31 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [FILM-PHILOSOPHY] Go for broke, it's more fun While there is theory in praxis, and praxis in theory, they don't add up neatly. YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE OF WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO BE Henry Strongly disagree: Think outside the box. Stretch your imagination. Dare to struggle, dare to win. Chuck Kleinhans -- Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list -- Film-Philosophy Journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ Film-Philosophy Conference: http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ Contact: [log in to unmask] -- -- Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list -- Film-Philosophy Journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ Film-Philosophy Conference: http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ Contact: [log in to unmask] -- -- Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list -- Film-Philosophy Journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ Film-Philosophy Conference: http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ Contact: [log in to unmask] -- -- Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list -- Film-Philosophy Journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ Film-Philosophy Conference: http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ Contact: [log in to unmask] --