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Dear list, > I do agree. Sometimes I think it will be better to leave the email list > to escape from those kind of endless emails :( > Sara Rakei - PhD Candidate -and- > I agree ! As a recently started part-time PhD student many of the > discussions appear to be a dialogue between a few who keep point scoring > until somebody gives in. > > Mark Ransom I also agree. But instead of unsubscribing I simply have set all the emails as spam and then go to the website to read those threads that I find interesting. The endless emails as summarised above, for me, are counter-productive as they are off-putting to my entering any discussion on PhDs and design. Dave Wood PhD Student in Visual Communication Edinburgh College of Art (UoE) Lecturer in Digital Design Glasgow Caledonian University Department of Computer, Communications and Interactive Systems [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Web: gcal.academia.edu<http://gcal.academia.edu/>/DaveWood< http://gcal.academia.edu/DaveWood> Blog: internalexternal-2010.blogspot.com< http://internalexternal-2010.blogspot.com/>/<http://internalexternal-< http://internalexternal-/> 2010.blogspot.com/<http://2010.blogspot.com/>> On 12 December 2011 20:28, sara rakei <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear Bijan > I do agree. Sometimes I think it will be better to leave the email list > to escape from those kind of endless emails :( > > Sara Rakei - PhD Candidate > > Istanbul Technical University > Institute of Science and Technology > Industrial Product Design > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Bijan Aryana <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > Dear Gunnar, > > > > You have selected some of my sentences, and some other are missing. I > > think it is clear that a mailing list is different from a forum, and we > > have different tools for each, and I am not the only one who has this > idea. > > > > I don't like to start another endless discussion, but there are around > > 2000 people in the list, and if most of them do not share anything, it > > doesn't mean that they are "opportunist" type of people ( as you may > think > > about me). It means that we are not using this list in a helpful way. > > Of course, I saw examples of useful exchanges, I saw some PhD students > > share their subjects, ask for collaborations, search for references. > There > > are also quite useful calls for publications, jobs etc, and sometimes > very > > good links about research projects. That is what many people who join > this > > list like to see. > > > > When there are so many emails focused on a complex theoretical > discussion, > > people may miss some opportunities in other types of the emails. You may > > remember that some people send emails to the whole list few months ago, > > asking for a way to unsubscribe! > > > > So, there are some problems here. You may have some suggestions for > > improving it, but you can not "completely ignore me :-) > > > > Bijan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related > > research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark > > Ransom > > Sent: 12. desember 2011 14:49 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken > > > > I agree ! As a recently started part-time PhD student many of the > > discussions appear to be a dialogue between a few who keep point scoring > > until somebody gives in. > > > > Mark Ransom > > Chairman > > ANTONE Key House Wanstead Road Leicester > > LE3 1TR tel : 0116 232 4700 direct : 0116 232 4743 > > mobile : > > 07711 430 247 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related > > research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bijan > > Aryana > > Sent: 12 December 2011 13:34 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken > > > > We are the design community and still using old fasioned email exchanging > > method for discussions! This list would work better if we focus on things > > that can help us to improve our knowledge and career, rather than endless > > discussions without any certain outcome. Is this a mailing list or a > forum? > > Look at the number of members and then look at the number of people who > > participate in the endless discussions. That explains everything! > > And, look at the title of the list : This list is for discussion of "PhD > > studies" ..... Many people forget about that! Were are PhD students?! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related > > research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > > Terence Love > > Sent: 12. desember 2011 14:28 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken > > > > Hi Karen, > > > > You wrote (about Ken's posts): > > <snip> ' The only thing I think is that's been bugging me is his writing > > style which has usually been the *detailed thesis style* with all the > > minute details in. It's good on the learning front but I think it's still > > good if the entire process could be much quicker and far succinct. I > don't > > know how others think, but it can sometimes make you either 'cry' or > > astonished by the amount of content that is pushed in on an online > forum.' > > <endsnip> > > > > This situation can be a technology issue rather than a writing issue. > > Content-producers and content-receivers are different, and since the > > advent of the iPad and similar devices they often use different > > technologies. > > On a desktop computer arranged for efficient content-production, Ken's > > emails look like short posts. In contrast, on an iPad or iPhone > > (content-receiving devices), the same emails look like long documents. > > The other side of it is that it's enormously easier and faster to use an > > efficient content-production computer to create substantial academic > > documents than to use a device primarily meant for content receiving. > > Cheers, > > Terry > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related > > research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen > > Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2011 3:42 PM > > To: Dr Terence Love > > Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken > > > > Dear all, > > > > I don't think Prof Friedman missed the points. Quite conversely, I think > > he has always been able to include most of the points, if not all the > > points in an email/s. The only thing I think is that 's been bugging me > is > > his writing style which has usually been the *detailed thesis style* with > > all the minute details in. It's good on the learning front but I think > its > > still good if the entire process could be much quicker and far succint. I > > don't know how others think, but it can sometimes make you either 'cry' > or > > astonished by the amount of content that is pushed in on an online > forum. I > > think a different line of approaches would be good. 'cos every problem, > > being et cetra is unique on its own. No one (type) fits all. > > > > Cheerio, > > > > Karen Fu > > playing on ideas on her iPad > > and a list of other fun little tools. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Rosan Chow <[log in to unmask] > > > > wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > Ken Friedman has written a post in way that is quite typical of him, I > > > suppose. I have time on my hands and would like to learn from him. So > > > I > > did > > > an analysis of his post (in inserted comments): Here is my conclusion > > > on how to write the Friedman's way: > > > > > <snip> > > >