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Hi Rob not seen anything like these, but Keith is probably right - maybe a local cheaper version (I am assuming square is cheaper to build than round?) Scanning at the Google earth image I didn't see any obvious features they might have been defending, which would also suggest cheapness would be a factor if they were used to defend something more temporary - so it might help to see what else was round about at the time hope that helps best wishes Nick Boldrini Historic Environment Record Officer Durham County Council Tel: 0191 3708840 Fax: 0191 3708897 [log in to unmask] VPN 7777 8840 From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of EDWARDS, Robert (Environment) Sent: 21 December 2011 11:21 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: WWII hardend field defences Hi Andrew, They're built into the ground. They have four brick pillars, one in each corner, supporting the concrete roof. The steps go down into the structure and the wall is located in front of the steps which lead down into the structure. They're a little deeper than shown in the picture as that particular one is full of water! A good aerial/street view example is available here: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=saighton&hl=en&ll=53.161873,-2.845958&spn=0.001147,0.001776&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.566626,29.091797&vpsrc=6&hnear=Saighton,+Cheshire+West+and+Chester,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19 Thanks and best wishes Rob Rob Edwards Historic Environment Records Officer Cheshire Archaeology Planning Advisory Service Tel: 01244 973667 Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Location: The Forum, Chester, Cheshire, CH1 2HS. From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ELLIOTT, (Andrew) Keith Sent: 21 December 2011 11:10 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: WWII hardend field defences Hi Rob, Could you clarify what the entrance steps down lead in to? And what shape that this is also is in plan please? Could it be something of an Oakington variant? with a low profile and with the hardened roof just a platform in this case - types characterised by the lack of specific loopholes and a continuous slit for all round fire and internal track mounting for a machine gun. (See http://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/showthread.php?t=12637 and http://www.pillbox-study-group.org.uk/mushroompage.htm for examples). However these all appear to be rounded in plan for the main chamber beneath, so may not be suitable if the shape of the roof matches the chamber beneath. Any good? 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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of EDWARDS, Robert (Environment) Sent: 21 December 2011 10:47 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: WWII hardend field defences Dear all, We have a number of small structures, possible machine gun emplacements, located on the approaches to Chester. These structures have a square 6 inch/150mm thick concrete roof on brick pillars (occasionally with traces of the dark green camouflage paint. They have a very low profile and seem to have open sides, rather than embrasures. They have an internal wall, presumably as protection for the rear of the structure where the entrance steps are located. I haven't seen anything similar elsewhere, but there are similarities in the roof construction with the Dover Quad pillbox. I was wondering if ant list members have seen anything similar or know a bit more about this type of structure (I have checked DOB). Photo attached. 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