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Culturally, some of this may begin with training in childhood. An oft- repeated aphorism when I was growing up was "Children should be seen and not heard", which was quoted as having applied (in the US) up through post-Victorian times. When I was in Taiwan, and heard a noisy child in a restaurant, I never even had to turn around to know that it was an American. Chinese children are usually very quiet, as are adults. NB: Let us be mindful of Damien's earlier request that in responding to posts, we not include every previous post on the thread, which includes every previous post on the thread, which includes every previous post... Rudy Troike University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona USA <[log in to unmask]> ######################################################################## The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist sociolinguistics. To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: http://jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1