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yes, that and and false teeth, I believe the next poem should be with you L On Sun, November 6, 2011 13:45, Patrick McManus wrote: > Thanks L foregrounded of course I know -it is something to do with a male > member Cheerips looking forward to next poem > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Lawrence Upton > Sent: 06 November 2011 13:14 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Walking through Kemyel > > > Be very careful, Patrick, if you ever buy a car; you might be sold a big > dictionary; and big dictionaries cost a lot of fuel to get up any speed > > you are not a simpleton > > i just go by ear also; it may be the only way to write poetry; but that > *is a mode of thinking; what I wrote was an attempt to put that into > discursive language > > you know what _foregrounded_ means and so on > > Thanks for the initial question though; it pushed me to consider my own > decision > > L > > > On Sun, November 6, 2011 13:03, Patrick McManus wrote: > >> L best of luck with the thinking >> -I simpleton just go by my ear!! >> not sure about big words like 'semantic is so Foregrounded' >> 'conjunctive' >> sound play here does that mean you like and /stand ? unsayableness? >> little ineffable >> >> So that is a bit used car salesman talk to me >> >> >> >> Cheers P the unlettered unfettered >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On >> Behalf Of Lawrence Upton >> Sent: 06 November 2011 12:34 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Walking through Kemyel >> >> >> >> Thank you, Patrick >> >> >> >> Your question is a good one. >> >> >> >> If I say _yes_ it isn't said glibly; I have spent much time >> on this poem, chopping off a bit here and there; it started much longer >> >> Kemyel is a strange place and I have tried to retrieve from it >> something of an intense experience which may be communicable >> >> and, for what it's worth to know it, the verse reorders a small element >> of another poem soon to be published so that there is the possibility >> of echo / recall little ineffable >> >> >> but I digress >> >> there is a weak reason for retaining _and_ of wrecking the rhythm, not >> just changing what is there, every change does that to some extent if >> we take rhythm to include sound play, but leaving something quite messy >> behind >> >> I call that a weak reason because, if you like, that's the job, to get >> it right over all; and I can hardly counter _music!_ when the semantic >> is so foregrounded >> >> I feel that here _and_ isn't just conjunctive but carries conjunctive >> and _but_ and even a kind of _therefore_ or _thus_ >> >> >> >> If what that points to is more than a little ineffable, that's ok, >> that's what I was after; and, in retrospect, all the verbal overgrowth I >> cut back before inviting people in was cut back to display that small >> unsayableness >> >> I'd like to think >> >> >> >> L >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> On Sat, November 5, 2011 18:59, Patrick McManus wrote: >> >> >>> Powerful -does it need the 'and '? >>> P >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Lawrence Upton >>> Sent: 05 November 2011 12:20 >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Walking through Kemyel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> hope out of range >>> >>> voice calloused >>> >>> above menslaughtering sea >>> >>> and, in a field, nearby, stones, in a circle, stand >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton >>> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover >>> Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 >>> wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- >>> >>> >> >> >> ----- >> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton >> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover >> Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 >> wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- >> >> > > > ----- > UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton > 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover > Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 > wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- > > ----- UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 wfuk.org.uk/blog ----