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Both fiction *and all the reality we have -- without the prosthesis of writing Relatively recently I have seen someone losing their memory into a constant present with less and less data; and disappearing as they went, leaving just a smile on a good day and I think back to nearly 20 years ago when I was faced with someone fictionalising by fantasy her life and mine; and I kept a diary in self defence. The diary was useful for keeping track of what my opponent, as she became, was doing; but also showed me how I was reinventing my memories without any malicious intent Writing (et cetera) does alter this situation L On Sat, November 5, 2011 15:41, Douglas Barbour wrote: > Wow, I certainly agree with you about memory, which I have been arguing > is fiction for years... > > I get what youre saying about 'One must, I feel, bring in the action of > mental perception.' Admit that I tend to hope that's implied.... Still, > your way is working well right now in what youre posting.... > > Doug > On 2011-11-04, at 9:41 AM, Lawrence Upton wrote: > > >> Thanks for this, Doug >> >> >> I had an interesting exchange recently about a work in first process, >> MEMORY FICTIONS, which I am trying out at the wf workshops with Tina >> Bass >> - they're 2 voice >> >> >> One who knows me saw the title and expressed a belief that it meant >> nothing to him. I used to flee such situations, especially where there >> is an element of pride (I don't understand that; just think how >> normative that makes me) but that wasn't the case here. Now though I >> engage with them, as I am learning something intangible... >> >> I do have a point to make! I'll get there >> >> >> I learned in that first expression, surprised that he did not know the >> fictional qualities of memory. I pursued it and found he wanted to put >> it all down to error. So I tried the brain's interpretation of optical >> data. >> >> This seemed to be inducing quiet panic; and then I suggested that we >> are our memories... >> >> It was not a satisfactory conversation >> >> >> I suppose I am having a bit of a chat with the concept of landscape >> being inherently beautiful -- and there's an inverse view for advocates >> of city scapes, which is one reason I have started adding city scenes >> here >> >> One must, I feel, bring in the action of mental perception. One can't >> just say what is out there, because it isn't! It may feel as if one is >> just describing; just as now and then everything goes well and there's a >> sense one has been inspired >> >> No, no, no, no, no as an ex British Prime Minister once said >> >> >> Ta for your continuing commentary. Today I consigned two to a reject >> folder as unfit for you to see (tell the people what you've written >> Lawrence) and I am going to see that as progress! >> >> >> L >> >> >> On Fri, November 4, 2011 15:17, Douglas Barbour wrote: >> >>> With each addition, Lawrence, a larger (I guess I'd have to say, >>> philosophical) vision inheres. Here, even with the comic turn at the >>> end, it's the 'commentary' (also seen in others) that pushes the whole >>> along... >>> >>> So I do see the whole, as it comes into some kind of focus, as >>> definitely going to be more than the sum of its parts... >>> >>> (I'm thinking of the discourse in the 3rd stanza...). >>> >>> >>> >>> Doug >>> On 2011-11-04, at 5:51 AM, Lawrence Upton wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> a system drained off to emptiness boats where they tipped sideways >>>> a variety of drunks liquidless tipped sideways >>>> >>>> land-living fauna stepped their way beyond the two-dimensioned >>>> harbour sinking outside the box into yellow and green >>>> >>>> there, tattered birds chatter at each other and squabble smacking >>>> out brutality new relentless applications of tiny end waves to the >>>> unintended picture in which every mark has its own causality or its >>>> own human purpose >>>> >>>> I see it! >>>> I see what you have not seen, >>>> what I have seen from causalities and purposes and what the eyes >>>> take in >>>> >>>> I see it, and spray >>>> it with my structures old tom that I am >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton >>>> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover >>>> Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 >>>> wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Douglas Barbour >>> [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] >>> >>> http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ >>> http://eclecticruckus.wordpress.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Latest books: >>> Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) >>> http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 >>> Wednesdays' >>> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-pres >>> s_10 .html >>> >>> >>> >>> Why poetry? And why not, I asked, >>> my right brain humming sedition. >>> >>> Phyllis Webb >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ----- >> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton >> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover >> Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 >> wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- >> >> > > Douglas Barbour > [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] > > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ > http://eclecticruckus.wordpress.com/ > > > Latest books: > Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 > Wednesdays' > http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10 > .html > > > Why poetry? And why not, I asked, > my right brain humming sedition. > > Phyllis Webb > > > > > ----- UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 wfuk.org.uk/blog ----