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Deat Don To become a bar-istor, in the good old days, you had to stand befor the bar for 16 yesrs. This meant 16 years of practical experience. I'm not so worried about the theory aspects of current degrees in Australia. My lawyer son got lots of practical experience. The theory stuff is now vital to his work as he is required to draft new law as part of his every day work. And yes, he is in commercial practice. Cheers Keith >>> Don Norman <[log in to unmask]> 21/11/11 2:18 AM >>> Design may be concerned about how it educates, deliberating between the two poles of theory (aka research) and practice, but consider law. Here is a wonderful article about the failures of modern law education in the USA, where professors know lots of theory but nothing of how law is actually practiced. From the 20 Nov. 2011, Sunday New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/business/after-law-school-associates-learn-to-be-lawyers.html I could write the same article about Business Schools. Actually, many have complained that this situation applies to Engineering Schools as well. Design is still very practical. The challenge to those of us who want more theory and breadth is to avoid falling into the legal trap that is described in the article. (That previous paragraph is especially important to people like me.Yes we need to broaden design education for the 21st century, but the primary goal is to produce practitioners. As universities more and more require that design professors have PhDs and publish erudite articles in refereed journals that are read only by other erudite professors, we must not lose track of our craft. Yes, I am talking about me, among others.) Don Norman Nielsen Norman Group KAIST (Daejeon, S. Korea), IDEO Fellow [log in to unmask] www.jnd.org http://www.core77.com/blog/columns/ Latest book: "Living with Complexity"