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Dear Cath, It will be great, as OH can never work alone and I agree that OT and so on do great jobs but as Trevor said so does OHP, counsellor. As the GPs don't look at the individual and think of Functional capacity assessment. Whereas OH does and in many cases Oh helps to shorten the sickness absence by asking the gp to review the potential of returning to work in a different capacity. Georgie Sent from my iPhone On 21 Nov 2011, at 09:56, Susan Gorton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Normally I am a challenge not a threat kind of girl but I have to admit here to some concern. Do you know how many people need 'notes' from their doctor and the politicking that goes on within a GP surgery for people to get what they want . > > We are used to having the managers perspective when we make decisions and you may not have as much knowledge as you think about the all the workplaces/industries in your area as may be needed to replicate what you currently do in practice. > > And as amazing as it may be, in places like Australia, OTs and physio do most of the functional returns to work with a few nurses thrown in. > > There ia big difference in my mind to providing a functional capacity assessment for work and dealing with the large quantity of distressed individuals, bullied, grieving, personally or occupationally stressed or slackers whose incapacity will no doubt be of the immeasurable kind. > > and if the GP is not involved, how is the person going to get well in most instances. > > Is this just a ploy by GP's to halve their clinic pressures (for no less pay I would imagine) with the dross of fit notes and the sick cert regime that was. They don’t want it for a reason and they have had plenty of time to gain this knowledge….. > > A considered response is defintely needed that is for sure. > > Sue > > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anna > Sent: 20 November 2011 08:28 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Carol Black & Atos are at it again ! > > Hi > > I am currently working with a few OTs to develop OH mental health functional assessment tools to enhance our practice. I do strongly believe that their skill and tools in assessment can be of great value to OHAs. I think we need to be clear about the role we play as an individual body and as part of a multidisciplinary team > > Anna Harrington > Specialist Community Public Health Nurse (Occupational Health) > www.harringtonenterprises.co.uk > 07816212836----- Original Message ----- > From: Janet Sam-King > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Carol Black & Atos are at it again ! > > Hi Treavor > I am 100% with you on this one. > I am looking at this from my Health Promotion eye. In the present day Public Health arena where are the multidisciplinary representation on the research panel? I do hold OTs in very high esteem in the rehabilitation of ill people back to work, but so do I all those OH Physicians, Physiotherapists, Clinical Counselors, OHPs, Psychotherapists etc, as represented on the Council for Work & Health. Would this not have been a very good opportunity for the council to provide an ‘authoritative and representative single voice’ on health and wellbeing issue of this magnitude? > > Although this is a qualitative research, the sample size of 45 GPs and the offer of financial incentive, were a concern. I could not stop thinking ‘were the outcomes of this research and the taking away of the sick note from the GPs not a foregone conclusion? > > From: Julie Leonard <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 21:29 > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Carol Black & Atos are at it again ! > > Well said we would need a recognised and agreed system and also some clever person(s) to coordinate it I would love a network of likewise OH professionals to take the document by storm and actually lead the change > Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange > From: Cath <[log in to unmask]> > Sender: [log in to unmask] > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:12:33 -0000 > To: <[log in to unmask]> > ReplyTo: Occupational Health mailing list <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Carol Black & Atos are at it again ! > > Seems like atos are trying to corner the market in impersonal comptuer based assessments. Perhaps we (OHprofessionals) should beat them to the post as we already do all of this and could provide a ready made service for local Doctors, having specilaised knowledge of the buisnesses and industry already in thier areas. Perhaps we may already have good working relationships with the locall medical professionals. What better than to develop locally based teams to bridge the gap between GPs, specilaists and the local employers. This gap has needed filling for eons, high time we did something about it. > > Cath Farrimopnd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trevor Maze > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:47 AM > Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Carol Black & Atos are at it again ! > > From this morning’s news it looks like Dame Carol Black is trying to further marginalize the OH professions. > The newsreader’s statement that GPs should no longer be able to have sole authority to sign people off for prolonged periods went unchallenged. > No one from the Faculty, Society or other relevant professional body was interviewed; in fact, there was no mention of OHPs or OHNs that I noticed. > Dame Carol did mention that OTs & others have the skills to give advice to GPs on whether people off on long term sick could return to work with adjustments. > There was also the politically correct nonsense that most people didn’t know whether they are capable of work. > > She seems to envisage something along the lines of the current disability assessments to be done by semi-trained people with a rigid computer-dictated protocol. > No doubt, this will suit the big boys, or rather, the one company that will get the huge government contract to provide the “service.” > From what I could tell, these assessments are to be applied 4 weeks before any proposed return to work. > > Rant finished. Constructive comment follows. > > I see a possible business opportunity here for small providers who are quick on their feet. > Once it’s clear what is proposed, we should write to local practices to inform them that we already provide such a service, and have been doing so for years. > We should offer them a service in advance of the proposed government scheme & offer it to immediately follow the GP’s first sick line. > What does anyone else think? > > Trevor > > > Dr Trevor Maze > 22 Orpinsmill Road, Ballyclare, Co. 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