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The right to leave is not the right to be paid for that leave, unfortunate as that sounds for those that have to pay. As someone who has been in both public and private employment, I can describe my last (private ) employment as NO final salary pension scheme, indeed no private scheme at all as the employer was too small and only 5 days sick pay per year and 23 days holiday. Now (public sector) decent pension, 30 days holiday and 6 months full and 6 months half pay. My view is that whilst change takes some getting use to, those who have paid in for longest are the least affected. If we want to really be fair, is it fair that all taxpayers are fronting the bill for public sector pay and pensions even when they don’t actually get the same benefits. Sue From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Caine Sent: 28 November 2011 14:59 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Strike Day - 30th Nov As this would come under 'Dependent Care Leave', it will be interesting to see it challenged! In a message dated 28/11/2011 14:32:08 GMT Standard Time, [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> writes: Even if I can find child care, Its going to be at least 3 pound an hour, For 3 children. Who has to pick up the bill ? The NUT ? My Employer ? No Me That’s 72 pound not going to Santa, And of course this is going to be a one off isn’t it ? ________________________________ From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Naylor, Sharon [HMPS] Sent: 28 November 2011 14:05 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Strike Day - 30th Nov I have mixed views about this but from a purely pragmatic perspective....... in my days of being a single parent to 3 young children this would have affected me immensely, and I may not have been able to arrange childcare for the day. I`m afraid I would have had the day off and faced the music afterwards. I am a bit confused as to what employers actually expect their staff to do? magic up childcare from an unknown source? leave them home alone? Employ some bloke off the street to look after their kids for the day? While I understand the need to "manage" Wednesday I fear this approach may be a bit Draconian - what are they going to do with the thousands of employees who cant make provision for the care of their children/partners/parents? Sack them all? In addition within my organisation there appears to be the idea that if (as an individual) you aren't on strike then there is the expectation that you will get drafted into alternative roles in (eg) the kitchen, workshops, to keep things running. And that includes me - haven't really formulated my response yet, all ideas or opinions gratefully received ________________________________ From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Kinselley, Gillian - Oxfordshire Customer Services Sent: 28 November 2011 13:37 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Strike Day - 30th Nov We are being asked - which I totally understand as if the person strikes it affects there pension/pay. If the person has children who go to a striking school then they cannot have late leave or sick leave...they should of arranged some form of child care. I tend to agree it is heavy handed but I agree the questions have to be asked to support the staff who are not striking and continued running of the service. Gillian ________________________________ From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Milne Campbell Sent: 28 November 2011 13:20 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Strike Day - 30th Nov Dear Jisc, I am getting conscious of a high pressure from management on a number of issues: 1. Are you in the union ? 2. Are you going to be taking action / supporting the union ? 3. Are you affected – E.g. Child (e.g. closed schools) or other care arrangements. 4. What are you doing about it ? 5. No you can’t have Annual Leave, TOIL, or Carer Leave… I totally support the strike call and the need to protect all our public sector workers, But am beginning to feel there are other victims here Thoughts please, or am I the only one thinking this is getting a little heavy. 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