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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Le copiste du ms de Paris BnF Fr. 256 signe au f. 9v : "Jacquemy Jaurinus" http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84497204/f24.item Au f. 198v, la "signature" est bien celle de Jean de Berry ... http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84497204/f402.item jl deuffic -----Message d'origine----- From: Christopher Crockett Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:59 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] marks in mss medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: Jean Luc Deuffic <[log in to unmask]> > Il s'agit bien de l'ex-libris du duc Jean de Berry ... : bien sûr. > "Il aimait assez ses livres pour y tracer souvent un ex-libris de sa > propre main, that's the question --whether or not the ownership inscription (and JEHAN monogram) on the final page of the B.n. ms. is "in his own hand" (and, thus, might be called a "signature"). >comme sur ce livre de Priscien: "Ce livre est au duc de Berry et d'Auvergne, conte de Poitou et d'Auvergne et li donna le pape Climent de Genève l'an mil CCC IIIIxx et VII" ... (Françoise Autrand, "Jean de Berry", Fayard, 2000, p. 467). Ce manuscrit est aujourd'hui à la British Library, Burney 275 : > http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/record.asp?MSID=7568&CollID=18&NStart=275 on that page: PROVENANCE... ....Jean, duc de Berry (b. 1340, d. 1416), a gift from Clement VII in 1387 (***ownership inscription written by Jean's secretary, Jean Flamel***, f. 2v; ownership inscription and signature 'Jehan', f. 560v; his arms, edges). the use of the word "signature" in that last line might imply that "Jehan" was written "in his own hand." as in [<OED] SIGNATURE: 3.a. The action of signing one's name; authorization or authentication of a document, letter, etc., by signing it. as opposed to what i take it to be, a MONOGRAM, n.3: 1. A motif consisting of two or more letters, esp. the initials of a person's name, written together and usually interwoven, used as a symbol to identify a personal possession or to sign a work of art, etc. all i'm saying is that the B.n. ms. has an "ownership inscription" [a.k.a. "Ex Libris"], accompanied by a JEHAN *monogram* --both in the same hand (and ink), one which is *very* close to that of the scribe who wrote the whole ms., and probably *not* that of Jehan Berry. and, thus, not a "signature" in the OED's 3.a. sense given above. c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html