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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: HenkADSL <[log in to unmask]> > I'm sorry, Chris, i know that. but, was much too courteous to mention it. >but that's not the same hand. i am by no means the expert in this late Hen Scratching that you are, Hank, but, lessee, http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84497204/f402.zoom the "e"s in "Ce Livre est au duc de Berry" look identical to me to those in the last line of the text above. the descender in the "s" of "est" has a bit of a curve to it --but that is trivial. i admit that the "t"s are troubling --simple verticals in the text above, a hook at the bottom (what do you call that?) in the Ex Libris. and it looks like there is a slight difference in the color of the ink between the two --and perhaps also a difference in the cut of the plume. being, essentially, Art Hysterical by inclination, i was going by the *shapes* of the curved flourishes in the monogram and the descenders (of "g"s, are they?) in the last line of the text. (i have this weird theory that, if you could describe curves like that --or the curves found in drawings or sculpture-- with a mathematical equation, you could identify the "hands" who made them.) probably Too Close to Call, for someone who is as Paleographically Challenged as i. >Which does not have to mean that it is the duke's signature. no. no, it doesn't. esp. in view of the *fact* that it's *not* a "signature" --it's a Monogram. >It might well have been written by his librarian. could have been written by anyone (in 15h c. France), i suppose. even by the scribe who wrote the text above. >There were more Frenchies called Jehan... you mean the Duck's librarian was named Jehan? c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html