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Mike, if they're marketing students, skip the 20th century and have them watch David Harvey's reading of Capital on iTunes … great value for money (literally)! Best ;-) Henry > paul is certainly right – and perhaps i should have articulated this from the start . . . but it was my hope that the list of the “greatest” books would include – along with the inevitable derrida/heidegger/rorty titles – many others that would in fact be useful for my purposes . . . i chose not to explain those purposes at first because i didn’t want anyone dumbing down their lists with student needs in mind > > mike > > From: Film-Philosophy [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Bowman > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:53 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [FILM-PHILOSOPHY] off topic inquiry > > Ah, now, that's a different question! What would or could you try to get 19 year olds to read, or what would you read with them, etc., is not the question we were posed! I'd see no immediate point in getting someone to read Grammatology. But as an important and influential book for the arts and humanities everywhere, it's up there. > > > Best wishes, > paul > -- > http://cardiff.academia.edu/PaulBowman > Apologies for typos and terseness: > Sent from my iPhone > > On 30 Nov 2011, at 15:37, "Frank, Michael" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > would you -- and that you is intended as plural -- actually undertake to read grammatology with a group of 19 year olds majoring in mathematics, or government, or marketing? . . . and if your answer is yes, i'd be eager to know how you would go about doing it?? > > mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Film-Philosophy [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Bowman > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:46 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [FILM-PHILOSOPHY] off topic inquiry > > I've been thinking about this and no matter where I go I keep coming back to Derrida's Of Grammatology and/or Foucault's Discipline and Punish - and both because of their enormous generativity. They both changed so many things in so many places... But, hang on, this is madness. I've just realised: the most important book, especially in this context, is The Interpretation of Dreams. Even if it was published in 1899 it's official date was 1900. > > No contest. > > > Best wishes, > paul > -- > http://cardiff.academia.edu/PaulBowman > Apologies for typos and terseness: > Sent from my iPhone > > On 29 Nov 2011, at 23:56, John Norris <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Please post on-list as I'd be fascinated with this too > > > > John Norris > > > > > > On 30/11/2011 10:46 AM, Frank, Michael wrote: > >> WITH APOLOGIES FOR CROSS-POSTING > >> > >> > >> i hope filmosophers will forgive a quick question that i suspect you're all well positioned to answer but that has [almost] nothing to do with cinema, although it may have a great deal to do with philosophy . . . specifically, for reasons that i'd be happy to explain if asked, i'm seeking suggestions for THE TEN OR TWELVE MOST IMPORTANT BOOKS OF THE 20TH CENTURY . . . my only requirement is that they be works of non-fiction . . . otherwise i'm eager to find out what cinema scholars/philosophers would include in such a list > >> > >> since this is so far removed from matters of cinema, please respond off-list to [log in to unmask] > >> > >> many thanks > >> > >> mike > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Film-Philosophy > >> After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to > >> To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] > >> Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html > >> For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list > >> -- > >> Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ > >> Film-Philosophy Conference (6-8 July 2011): http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ > >> Contact: [log in to unmask] > >> -- > > > > -- > > Film-Philosophy > > After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to > > To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] > > Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html > > For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list > > -- > > Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ > > Film-Philosophy Conference (6-8 July 2011): http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ > > Contact: [log in to unmask] > > -- > > -- > Film-Philosophy > After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to > To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] > Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html > For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list > -- > Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ > Film-Philosophy Conference (6-8 July 2011): http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ > Contact: [log in to unmask] > -- > > > -- Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit:http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list -- Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ Film-Philosophy Conference (6-8 July 2011): http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ Contact: [log in to unmask] -- > -- Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.htmlFor technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list -- Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/Film-Philosophy Conference (6-8 July 2011): http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ Contact: [log in to unmask] -- > -- Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email:[log in to unmask], not the list -- Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ Film-Philosophy Conference (6-8 July 2011):http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ Contact: [log in to unmask] -- -- Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list -- Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ Film-Philosophy Conference (6-8 July 2011): http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ Contact: [log in to unmask] --