The new G+G requirements do ask for all aspects to be recorded now. Our EV does listen to a sample of them - across a range of tasks and expects all to be recorded. I think it makes sense to record them anyway – surely you need to do this for IV purposes as well as EV?

Were C&G the only awarding body that recorded S&L?

Do they record S&L now?

Perhaps not. 

No recording = no supporting evidence.

Isabel Arnold.

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:22:46 +0100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Success in ESOL examinations
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Thanks Isabel. This is the point we have raised time and time again with Cambridge-that there is no evidence for IV or EV from their own quality assurance point of view. The problem is further compounded when I notice that one examiner has failed considerably more students at L1 and L2 S and L than any other. Now this may be entirely legitimate but how would Cambridge or we know for sure? I will raise it again with Cambridge and ask them to investigate-and we may even ask not to use this particular examiner again but in the meantime we have disappointed students and disappointing achievement for the department!

 

Helen

 

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Sent: 27 October 2011 21:18
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Subject: RE: Success in ESOL examinations

 

When I used the City and Guilds S&L assessments they were recorded.
There was evidence to support achievement, or otherwise, decisions for IV and EV and moderation/training of assessors/examiners.
With no recording there is no supporting evidence for IV/EV.
There is of course ample evidence for R and Wr.
Isabel Arnold

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:05:36 +0100
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Subject: Re: Success in ESOL examinations
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Hi Doreen

 

We have also had problems with results for last academic year….again, though ours are L1 and L2 Speaking and Listening and Writing mainly. We use Cambridge SFL exams and it gets harder and harder to predict what the results will be-especially with the Speaking and Listening. Some years the results are good and others not so good-though the tutors and in some cases the examiners remain the same! We have again come across the problem we have raised several times with Cambridge-and will be raising again-that without a mark scheme or a recording of the exam, too much seems to be down to the individual examiner without any way of challenging their assessment of the candidates. Tutors/interlocuters regularly express concern about certain students who do not pass the Speaking and Listening exam who are expected to-and others that do pass and were weaker. In the past I have been able in some cases to put this down to inexperienced tutors who have missed a vital ingredient of the L1 and L2 exams-usually the register required in the exam. However I now have a team that are experienced, trained and some years get phenomenal success!! Has anyone else had this problem? Is there an exam board which is more consistent in the opinion of colleagues? Help!

 

Helen

 

 

 

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From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Doreen Chappell
Sent: 17 October 2011 15:57
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Subject: Success in ESOL examinations

 

I'd like to enquire about colleagues' success rates for last year, 2010-11. We are concerned that success at some levels are not as good as last year, particularly Levels 1 and 2, more specifically Reading i.e. the national test element. Obviously this then affects the overall full qualification. Especially noteworthy seems to be the daytime reading exam in the summer, where the test paper appeared to be much harder than anticipated - local colleagues have said the same. Conversely, writing results at these levels have been much better, when ESOL staff perceive this to be the more difficult skill.Other factors may be that we and learners were still unsure of the fees situation, so begged to sit the exams as they thought they might not be able to afford to come this year, although they were not really ready.   Also, perhaps our courses are too short? What is the course pattern/glh with other providers?

 

Any comments would be helpful.

 

 

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