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To avoid misunderstandings, since I received a couple of emails already: > Is it important to make such a resource available to developers? > Absolutely? ? was a typo. I meant Absolutely! I think such data are essential for development of better processing software, and I find the development of better processing software of paramount importance! > we can of course now have a referendum to decide in the best curse > of action! :-( Curse was not a typo. I am Greek. Today, thinking of referendums, I see many curses of action, and limited courses of action. A. > A. > > PS Rob, you are of course right about sequencing costs, but I was > only trying to paint the bigger picture... > > > > On Oct 31, 2011, at 18:00, Frank von Delft wrote: > >> "Loathe being forced to do things"? You mean, like being forced to >> use >> programs developed by others at no cost to yourself? >> >> I'm in a bit of a time-warp here - how exactly do users think our >> current suite of software got to be as astonishingly good as it >> is? 10 >> years ago people (non-developers) were saying exactly the same >> things - >> yet almost every talk on phasing and auto-building that I've heard >> ends >> up acknowledging the JCSG datasets. >> >> Must have been a waste of time then, I suppose. >> >> phx. >> >> >> >> >> On 31/10/2011 16:29, Adrian Goldman wrote: >>> I have no problem with this idea as an opt-in. However I loathe >>> being forced to do things - for my own good or anyone else's. But >>> unless I read the tenor of this discussion completely wrongly, opt- >>> in is precisely what is not being proposed. >>> >>> Adrian Goldman >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 31 Oct 2011, at 18:02, Jacob Keller<[log in to unmask] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Crystallographers, >>>> >>>> I am sending this to try to start a thread which addresses only the >>>> specific issue of whether to archive, at least as a start, images >>>> corresponding to PDB-deposited structures. I believe there could >>>> be a >>>> real consensus about the low cost and usefulness of this degree of >>>> archiving, but the discussion keeps swinging around to all levels >>>> of >>>> archiving, obfuscating who's for what and for what reason. What >>>> about >>>> this level, alone? All of the accompanying info is already entered >>>> into the PDB, so there would be no additional costs on that score. >>>> There could just be a simple link, added to the "download files" >>>> pulldown, which could say "go to image archive," or something along >>>> those lines. Images would be pre-zipped, maybe even tarred, and >>>> people >>>> could just download from there. What's so bad? >>>> >>>> The benefits are that sometimes there are structures in which >>>> resolution cutoffs might be unreasonable, or perhaps there is some >>>> potential radiation damage in the later frames that might be >>>> deleterious to interpretations, or perhaps there are ugly >>>> features in >>>> the images which are invisible or obscure in the statistics. >>>> >>>> In any case, it seems to me that this step would be pretty >>>> painless, >>>> as it is merely an extension of the current system--just add a >>>> link to >>>> the pulldown menu! >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Jacob Keller >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ******************************************* >>>> Jacob Pearson Keller >>>> Northwestern University >>>> Medical Scientist Training Program >>>> email: [log in to unmask] >>>> ******************************************* >>>> > > P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to > Anastassis (Tassos) Perrakis, Principal Investigator / Staff Member > Department of Biochemistry (B8) > Netherlands Cancer Institute, > Dept. B8, 1066 CX Amsterdam, The Netherlands > Tel: +31 20 512 1951 Fax: +31 20 512 1954 Mobile / SMS: +31 6 28 > 597791 > > > > P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to Anastassis (Tassos) Perrakis, Principal Investigator / Staff Member Department of Biochemistry (B8) Netherlands Cancer Institute, Dept. B8, 1066 CX Amsterdam, The Netherlands Tel: +31 20 512 1951 Fax: +31 20 512 1954 Mobile / SMS: +31 6 28 597791