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Dear Don, Thank you for your message. I appreciate your comments. They are helpful. Some of last week I was a small 2 day international seminar on creativity and inspiration with some interesting input from neuro-psychologists and a variety creative specialists including a creative director of the bbc. In the nights, I had the opportunity to read more of Chris Frith's recent work. I realise I'm going out on what seems like a limb at the moment, yet much of the material from last week and my analyses over the last 20 years seem to be pointing in the direction I've been suggesting. After your comments, I'll work at developing the analysis better and it will either stand or fall over. At this stage, although sketchy, it looks pretty solid with the only serious problem that it contradicts quite a lot of established theory positions across design. If you have the time to explain more about the details of how you see that we disagree I would welcome hearing them. Best regards, Terry -----Original Message----- From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Don Norman Sent: 14 October 2011 18:59 To: Dr Terence Love Subject: Re: When points of view conflict: creativity in design. PhDs versus practioners. Gee, Terry I guess we disagree. Not much more to say. But it is somewhat amusing that when you list all of the reasons for your position, i find myself in agreement with almost all of them. I agree strongly at the start of your post and am starting to disagree at the end of your post. Basically, when you state the changes that have taken place and the new challenges and new sources of knowledge, understanding and the advancement of tools, I am in agreement. When you start drawing conclusions from those statements, we disagree. Indeed, I have often written about the very same points that you use to buttress your argument. As a great paper in Brain and Behavioral Sciences recently explained, reasoning is not used to develop ideas: it is used to defend them. So you and I can use the same statements to argue for our opposing positions. (I'm at an airport lounge, so I can't check on the exact reference. If anyone is interested, I'll send it after this trip.) Don