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I tried to open the links that Soo Downe send earlier (se below), but they are empty. I wounder what this implies? is there really a (draft) report? and where can I locate it?
 
All the best
 
Jette 
 

Fra: A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive health research. [[log in to unmask]] På vegne af McCourt, Christine [[log in to unmask]]
Sendt: 31. oktober 2011 09:01
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Emne: Re: c-section for all women who request it by NICE?

With this in mind, all those who are concerned should send evidence and responses to NICE during the consultation period


On 31/10/2011 00:49, "Octavia Wiseman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

This is where the story came from – it’s still a draft report, subject to change:
 
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16099301

From: LUCIA ROCCA <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:05 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: c-section for all women who request it by NICE?
 
Yes, and also in a bleak economic climate it seems quite wrong to increase expenses without reason.

Plastic surgery is getting safer and safer....
are we going to have cosmetic breasts inplans for free as well for all women who request it?

I am quite shocked if NICE publishes a report in support of free CS without medical indication and I think we should look into protesting against it.

Best wishes

Lucia

2011/10/30 Soo Downe <[log in to unmask]>

 

Hmm  - CS is now safe? Maybe it depends on what outcomes you look at: These are the  risks cited in the current NICE CS guidelines:
 
 
 
 

NICE 2004 Cesarean section: Quick reference guide.  Available at: http://www.nice.org.uk/nicemedia/live/10940/29333/29333.pdfdopwnloaded  on 6th Oct 2011 <http://www.nice.org.uk/nicemedia/live/10940/29333/29333.pdfdopwnloaded%20on%206th%20Oct%202011>
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Longer term, CS has also been linked to type one diabetes in the neonate,  athsma, excema, and, most recently, multiple sclerosis:
 
 
 
 
Mult  Scler. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21982872#>  2011 Oct 7. [Epub ahead of print]

Cesarean  delivery may increase the risk of multiple sclerosis.

Maghzi AH <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Maghzi%20AH%22%5BAuthor%5D> , Etemadifar M <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Etemadifar%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D> , Heshmat-Ghahdarijani K <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Heshmat-Ghahdarijani%20K%22%5BAuthor%5D> , Nonahal S <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Nonahal%20S%22%5BAuthor%5D> , Minagar A <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Minagar%20A%22%5BAuthor%5D> , Moradi V <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Moradi%20V%22%5BAuthor%5D> .


Source


IRCOMS, Iran/Neuroimmunology Unit, Centre for  Neuroscience & Trauma, Blizard Inst. of Cell &Molecular Sci.,UK/Med.  Schl, Isfahan Uni. of Med.Sci, Iran.


Abstract


Background: Prenatal and perinatal factors  are believed to contribute to the risk of developing multiple  sclerosis (MS). Objective: This study was designed to evaluate whether  mode of delivery (vaginal versus cesarean section), as a  perinatal factor, affects susceptibility to MS. Methods: MS patients were  recruited from the MS registry of Isfahan Multiple Sclerosis  Society (IMSS) and were compared with their healthy siblings. Data regarding  mode of delivery, birth order, and gestation week of birth were obtained  through a specially designed questionnaire. Preterm or post term deliveries  were excluded. We used conditional logistic regression statistics and adjusted  for gender and birth order. Results: This study included 1349 participants  (449 MS patients and 900 controls). Subjects who were born by cesarean  sectionhad significant risk of MS (odds ratio, OR = 2.51; 95%  confidence interval, CI: 1.43-4.41; p = 0.001). There was significant MS risk  for females who were born by cesarean section (OR = 2.69, 95% CI:  1.30-5.58; p = 0.008), but not for males (OR = 2.25, 95% CI: 0.90-5.63; p =  0.082). The mean age at onset was lower in MS patients born by cesarean  section (24.58 ± 6.33) compared with that of patients born by vaginal  delivery (27.59 ± 7.97; p = 0.041). There was no significant difference  between the two groups for birth order (p = 0.417). Conclusion: Our results  suggest that those born by vaginal delivery are at a lower risk of subsequent  MS. These preliminary findings will need to be addressed in a much larger and  preferably prospective study.


  PMID:   21982872   [PubMed  - as supplied by publisher]




From: A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive  health research. [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Pamela  Harnden [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, October 30,  2011 10:25 PM
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Subject: Re:  c-section for all women who request it by NICE?

 
 
 
 
 
Dear Lucia,  
 
 
The impression in Australia is that it is true and that the risks are so  small now because the obstetricians are so expert at it, the suggestion is  that it is actually safer than birthing normally!
 
 
 
Pam

 
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:18 AM, LUCIA ROCCA <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 
Dear All,

I am sure this must be misinformation but  I am a bit worried about the news from Sky news:

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16099301

about  NICE publishing a new report saying that women must have the right to ask,  at NHS expenses, a CS without medical indication.

could please  somebody reassure me ( while I am on holiday...) that I got it  wrong?

Thanks

Lucia

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Lucia Rocca-Ihenacho

Senior Midwife and Research  Fellow

Barts and the London NHS  Trust

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