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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture this practice (of bede rolling) sounds to me very similar to that of the French monastic "obituary rolls" (_rotuli_) which were sent around from one house to another, inscribing the names of departed brothers in "affiliated" monasteries for the purpose of soliciting prayers for them. since most "parish churches" at least began their lives as the property (if not priories) of monastic houses, might it not seem reasonable to assume that the practice followed in the Mother House was taken up in the kids'? the older publication of the French "Rouleaux des morts" Leopold Delisle, Rouleaux des morts du IXe au XVe siècle (Société de l’histoire de France. Publications in octavo, 135). Paris: Renouard, 1866. has been superseded and vastly supplemented by this definitive one, done under the auspices of the Academie des Inscriptions et Belles Lettres: Jean Dufour, Recueil des rouleaux des morts: (VIIIe siècle-vers 1536). (Recueil des historiens de la France. Obituaires. Série in-4o; tome 8) Paris, 2005-6. 4 vols. one of those vols. (i can't remember whether it's the first or the last) is devoted to a long general introduction to the phenomenon. i have no idea what the English practice was, but, since most everything good in France was copied there, perhaps these things existed out on the Western Fringe as well. c ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:34:15 AM EDT From: "Cormack, Margaret Jean" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] bede rolls > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Dear Gordon, > Thanks! Any idea how old this practice is, or if there are statutes requiring the recording of such information? > Interesting that someone would be paid for writing and/or reading it - the implication is that it was fairly long! > Meg > > ________________________________ > > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of Revd Gordon Plumb > Sent: Wed 10/26/2011 11:06 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] bede rolls > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > Bede Roll > > A list of those to be mentioned by name in the pulpit that they might be remembered in the prayers of the parishioners. You can find references to this in many published Churchwardens' Accounts: > > eg: Those of St Mary at Hill: "The Medieval Records of a London City Church (St Mary at Hill) A.D.1420-1559. Edited by Henry Littlehales, EETS, Original Series vols 125 and 128, 1904, 1905 > > p 238: "Item, ffor wrytyng off the Bedrow, iiiid." > p149: "to Mr John Redy ffor rehersyng of the bederoll, viiid." > > and p80: > "To the parissh preste, to Remembre in the pulpite the sowle of [Richard] Bliot, whiche gave to the Churche workis vis viiid - iid." > > Apart from the bederoll honouring those who had given to the church there was a general one bidding prayers (hence "bidding of the Bedes" for pope, bishop, parish priests, king, queen royal family, lords etc). > > By the 15th century names could be added for a price: Parish accounts from Salisbury for 1499-1500 record that Robert Southe, Gent, paid 40s, for himself, his wife, and their fathers and mothers to be put on the bederoll so that Christian people would pray for their souls every Sunday. > > Bidding of the Bedes took place on Sunday before the offertory in a solemn prayer in English (see Duffy, "Stripping" pp.124-5. The whole Bederoll would be read at the annual parish Requiem at All Souls. [Our parish here in Barton will be doing so next Wednesday]. > > > Gordon Plumb > > > > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html