No, though confession was a "forum internum" with legal ramifications. What I mean is the friars were intruding into many aspects of diocesan life, whether a bishop's jurisdiction over heresy or a parish priest's role in annual confessions & communions under the decree Omnis utriusque sexus of Lateran IV.
Tom Izbicki
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> I am looking at the inquisitors' role as yet another intrusion of the
mendicants into what was traditionally the work of bishops & parish priests.
"parish priests" held court??
am i right in assuming that this "intrusion" more or less began with the
crusade against the Albists?
or were there other examples of it, perhaps even pre-dating the mendicants?
i forget when we start getting Eyetalians being introduced into the chapter at
Chartres (and, presumably, elsewhere) --before 1250, i believe-- and i've
always just assumed that that phenomenon represents an "intrusion" of papal
power into what was certainly, "traditionally," a very local institution (the
Chapter of Chartres), personnel-wise.
there should be a study of "foreigners" in French cathedral chapters in the
13th c., but i've never come across it.
have to ask a reference lieberrian, i suppose...
>The crusade issue within Europe is a messy one too, as you well know.
well, it certainly seems to have been "messy" from the point of view of poor
Ray of Toulouse.
c
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> > There were tribunals. Nicholas Eimeric in his Directorium treated the
teams
> of inquisitors in terms of judges delegates, appointed to act on case for
the
> pope locally. There is a good deal of material on judges delegate, but the
> original practice was to choose local ecclesiastics. The innovation was the
> use of friars in work once done by bishops. In a way, this is another
> intrusion of the papacy into local situations,
>
>
> "In a way..."?
>
> you mean, as opposed to a *real* intrusion of the papacy into local
> institutions??
>
> (i'm particular referring to the situation which prevailed during the Albi
> "crusade".)
>
> c
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