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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture No, though confession was a "forum internum" with legal ramifications. What I mean is the friars were intruding into many aspects of diocesan life, whether a bishop's jurisdiction over heresy or a parish priest's role in annual confessions & communions under the decree Omnis utriusque sexus of Lateran IV. Tom Izbicki From: "Christopher Crockett" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:26:28 AM Subject: Re: [M-R] Theft of metal from UK churches medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: Thomas Izbicki <[log in to unmask]> > I am looking at the inquisitors' role as yet another intrusion of the mendicants into what was traditionally the work of bishops & parish priests. "parish priests" held court?? am i right in assuming that this "intrusion" more or less began with the crusade against the Albists? or were there other examples of it, perhaps even pre-dating the mendicants? i forget when we start getting Eyetalians being introduced into the chapter at Chartres (and, presumably, elsewhere) --before 1250, i believe-- and i've always just assumed that that phenomenon represents an "intrusion" of papal power into what was certainly, "traditionally," a very local institution (the Chapter of Chartres), personnel-wise. there should be a study of "foreigners" in French cathedral chapters in the 13th c., but i've never come across it. have to ask a reference lieberrian, i suppose... >The crusade issue within Europe is a messy one too, as you well know. well, it certainly seems to have been "messy" from the point of view of poor Ray of Toulouse. c > From: "Christopher Crockett" <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:50:33 AM > Subject: Re: [M-R] Theft of metal from UK churches > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > From: Thomas Izbicki <[log in to unmask]> > > > There were tribunals. Nicholas Eimeric in his Directorium treated the teams > of inquisitors in terms of judges delegates, appointed to act on case for the > pope locally. There is a good deal of material on judges delegate, but the > original practice was to choose local ecclesiastics. The innovation was the > use of friars in work once done by bishops. In a way, this is another > intrusion of the papacy into local situations, > > > "In a way..."? > > you mean, as opposed to a *real* intrusion of the papacy into local > institutions?? > > (i'm particular referring to the situation which prevailed during the Albi > "crusade".) > > c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html