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It must be the same complete model that you refined previously, I
doubt that it will give the correct answer if you leave out the waters
for example.

You say "there was quite a difference".  Could you be more specific:
what were the values of the weights, R factors and RMSZ(bonds/angles)
before and after weight optimisation?

Cheers

-- Ian

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:42 AM,  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Respected Sir,
>
> Thank you for your clarification. I had adopted this
> method recently. My doubt was if we have to optimize
> these two parameters during refinement, should we have
> the whole model along with water and ligands or only
> protein with few water positioning is enough. The reason
> why I am asking because there was quite a difference
> when I refined the same structure without the optimization
> and with optimization of these two parameters.
>
> Thanking you
> With regards
> M. Kavyashree
>
> -----CCP4 bulletin board <[log in to unmask]> wrote: -----
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>    To: [log in to unmask]
>    From: Ian Tickle
>    Sent by: CCP4 bulletin board
>    Date: 10/14/2011 12:34PM
>    Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Optimisation of weights
>
>    Hi Kavya
>
>    The resolutions of the structures mentioned in the paper were only
>    examples, the Rfree/-LLfree minimisation method (which are actually
>    due to Axel Brunger & Gerard Bricogne respectively) does not depend on
>    resolution.
>
>    If the structures are already solved & refined, you don't need to do
>    any model building, it should be within the radius of convergence with
>    the new weights - it's only a small adjustment after all.
>
>    Cheers
>
>    -- Ian
>
>    On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:12 AM,  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>    > Dear users,
>    >
>    > Can the optimization of the X-ray weighing factor
>    > and B-factor (overall wt) as mentioned in the paper
>    > Acta Cryst. (2007). D63, 1274–1281 by Dr.Ian Tickel,
>    > be used for the refinement of the data sets beyond
>    > the resolution range mentioned in the paper: 1.33 -
>    > 2.55 Ang?
>    >
>    > Also the structures that were used to optimize these
>    > parameters were already solved and refined, so when
>    > we are solving a new structure to what extent does the
>    > model has to be built before starting the optimization?
>    >
>    > Thanking you
>    > With Regards
>    > M. Kavyashree
>    >
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