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On 6 Sep 2011, at 13:35, Chris Brew wrote: > Hi All, > > Having replaced all our CEs with CreamCEs we've been having problems keeping > them up for extended period of time. > > They seem to run fine for a few days to a week or so before falling over > with "The endpoint is blacklisted" errors (generally) but the error isn't > transient - it always seems to go down just after I leave work and stay that > way until I get in the next morning. > > The "help" for that error is not in actual fat helpful - "Oh, that's the WMS > seeing timeouts." I paraphrase. Timeouts on what? What can I do on the CE to > fix them? > > So, after much googling I've increased the MySQL temporary table space > "innodb_buffer_pool_size=1024M" and reduced the blah purge time > "purge_interval=1000000" > > So does anyone have any more CreamCE tuning tips I can try? We're running > the UMD release but I've "backported" the trustamanager fix from emi. Not directly tuning, but: Cream is actually two parts - the bit that talks to the outside world, X509 and such, which keeps it's data base in mysql, and Blah, which talks to the batch system, is the BNotifier/BUpdatorXXX thing, and keeps it's database in an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a proper database engine. On the cream/mysql side: it's generally seen that tightening up the purger times - so that once a job is finished it doesn't hang about for too long, is a handy step. Users can request purging in advance of this interval - so this is a maximum limit, not a minimum limit. http://grid.pd.infn.it/cream/field.php?n=Main.HowToPurgeJobsFromTheCREAMDB covers how to set up JOB_PURGE_POLICY. Note that this is totally different from the blah configuration purge_interval. I don't think we've done that up here - my memory says I indexed the mysql DB beyond the default (hence making a larger DB less of a problem), but I honestly can't find any notes I made on that (I went through all the grid services with mysql at one point). I think I'll have to revist that at some point. Given the timeout's you're seeing, load on the mysql server might well cause them [0], hence the JOB_PURGE_POLICY is where I'd look first. (We run with innodb_buffer_pool_size=256M). I think the default policy is 10 days for everything? Depending on how much traffic you get, that can make a difference. The Lease manager, which often seems more like a mis-feature, can slow things down a lot if there are a lot of 'leases' created - at one point Atlas pilot factories were creating many of these, although they sorted that now, it's possible that on an old install you might have old ones slowing things down. I can't dig out the query used to count the number of them, anyone have it to hand? Although it's not one you've noted above, the biggest performance sink for us is when Blah breaks, and has to start using the registry.npudir. This happens when one instance of the blah code can't access the "proper" registry, and has to degrade to one file per job. Because this is not optimised, it ends up stat(2) ing the directory for each operation, then walking though each file. So it's something like an O(n^3) algorithm or thereabouts, for n files in the dir. We have nagios alarms setup if the number of files in there gets large - a value we've set to 5. After a clean restart, when the locks are sorted out, blah tidies up that dir at around 50 a minute, so that can be responsible for a very long wait on restart that's sometimes observed. More directly, it's also responsible for timeouts of the sort: failureReason=BLAH error: no jobId in submission script's output (stdout:) (stderr: <blah> execute_cmd: 200 seconds timeout expired, killing child process.-) Keeping the purge_interval low can help with this situation, but I'm (now) of the opinion that it's best avoided, by intervention when the npudir starts to fill up. Fundamentally, however, most of these issues are load dependant, so the best return for sysadmin effort is probably to set up another Cream CE. We run 3 (+ 1 experiemental) at the moment, Imperial has 4. In between CPR on them, I'm poking at ways of alleviating the worst of the problems by poking through the source RPM's. Speaking of hardware - I'm of the opinion that 4GB of ram is not enough, and 6GB is the minimum, with 8GB a sensible baseline - and that's allowing a 256M / 512M innodb buffer pool. With a 1024M buffer pool, I don't think everything will fit in 4GB of ram. Hrm - sorry if that's turned a bit rambly, fire alarm halfway through de-railed my train of thought... [0] That is: I think that the timeouts are cream taking a long time to respond to the WMS's request for status updates - probably because the WMS uses a single Lease, and thus is trying to get a lot of data at once, or at least forcing cream to search a large subset.