A girl I know went through abortion (in italy). In the period before the procedure she was contacted on the phone (mobile!) by this catholic association called "centro di aiuto per la vita": they asked her to give up her decision and keep the baby. She is an atheist, she never gave permission to anyone to divulgate her phone number (especially to a private association). And yes of course it was a hard time for her, and these people made her feel like if she was violeted. How could they dare to get into such a private issue with a person they don't know and that never asked for help? Is this what you call the message of hope and redemption? This thing I'm describing is very common in italy, and there are also many medician in public hospitals that refuse to practice abortion (a legal procedure which is precisely regulated by the law in italy) . Statitics say that in some regions you have something like 80% of medician refusing.
And yes it's an hard decision to have an abortion. and you should think carfully about that. But blame is very widespread in hospitals, and in sociaty (especially from men, who will never have and abortion direcly on their skin) and blame doesn't help. Education on prevention is what works. But the church, at least in Italy doesn't want kids to have proper sexual education.
sorry for my bad english
federica
Il 02/09/11 08.47, Alessio Bernardelli ha scritto:[log in to unmask]" type="cite">I don't know the details of the tragic event you refer to and I am sorry to read about what seems to have been a really traumatic experience in your life, but generalizing on the account of individual experiences is seldom a true reflection of reality! It is dangerous as it can lead to rush conclusions and decisions not based on the evidence of a larger sample. So, I don't believe my comment was naive. Besides, I was talking about the fact that it is very unlikely that the majority of women having an abortion can go through it lightly and without being affected psychologically. The choices and considerations involved are massive and no human being can just brush them under the carpet without giving it a second thought. Believing that would be naive.Also, I suspect that women deciding to have an abortion are unlikely to be convicted Christian, so if they don't agree with the values taught by the Bible in the first place, why should they be affected by them?Abortion is a really complex issue and when a woman decides to make that step she should be advised of the weight this could have in her future life! Telling her everything will be alright, or making her believe that the possible doubts and mental health problems she might have are just a result of the "culture of guilt" from which she need to emancipate, would be cruel and not based on evidence to justify doing so.
The Christian message is one of hope and redemption, not of guilt. So, the event you refer to does definitely not reflect the beliefs and practices of the majority of Christian circles!Alessio.
Sent from my iPhoneSorry Alessio,
Having witnessed the effect the 'culture of guilt' can have on the young people in a community, namely that the lonely death of a young girl in a field was preferable to the 'eternal' fire of an as yet unproven hell, I would say that your last comment was at the least, naive.
On 1 Sep 2011 18:57, "Alessio Bernardelli" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Whatever the stats are, I seriously doubt that the majority of women who go through an abortion are completely unaffected! However you want to present it, it remains the conscious decision to get rid of a child and blaming the consequences of this decision on the "culture of guilt" created by Christian institutions is to say the least unreasonable.
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>> I can’t stand Christian Concern. They’ve just sent me a press release about the Dorries/Field abortion amendment, trumpeting some research purporting to show that abortion raises the risk of mental health problems by 81%. See http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/abortion/study-finds-abortion-raises-risk-of-mental-health-problems-by-81. It turns out, surprise surprise, that the research is severely rickety. It’s been nicely diced at http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/page/2/?s=Coleman, on the Ministry of Truth website. It’s not obvious to me who runs this website. Does anybody know?
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