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Hi isn't this all a bit political for these refined poets living in their ivory towers (built on greenbelt land!!) :-) P-again -----Original Message----- From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lawrence Upton Sent: 19 September 2011 16:17 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Verbal clarity I agree with you, to an extent Rhetoric was really all that was available to me short of stating what I regard as being obvious and which ay not be obvious -- or acceptable -- to some > "Let's be clear" (twice) is defensive. What kinds of unclarity is it > trying to ward off? The last thing he wanted was clarity. What I didn't say, because it wasn't really my point, was that this morning I heard someone on the radio differentiating between legal and lawful. Generally I would close the door on such a discussion and leave to their privacy At that point anyway I was looking my right boot, holding my left boot. So he may have been asserting _legal_ aggressively Certainly that's in this context defensive, but defensive of aggression Unclarity with regards to motive: "this is > about...legality" and not, for example, cash or crypto-racist nimbyism. > Unclarity with regards to the projected outcome: "it will > end" as intended rather than abort or be turned back. Yes, clearly, but he did not say that. It is like - ish - the announcements that say _because we are late, we shall now not call at the following stations_ eliding the decision they have made, claiming a false causality and in such elisions sprout sometimes not just muddles but genocides > But the situation *is* unclear. The fog of war's come down. "The > operation" is going to be a mess, or made a mess of. The arguments around > the rights and wrongs of it are not going to be decisively settled, to > general agreement, in favour of either side. Their respective polemics > will strive mightily to banish unclarity, but unclarity is going to win. I think the fog is mental here I doubt either is striving for clarity. The council has frequently refused to debate / speak, merely referring to how long this has been going on Israel is very good at that. We've been negotiating for n years! No, you've been delaying and talking bollocks for n years It's going to be a mess. Yes. It will be made a mess of. Yes. But the individuals concerned are also doing something, waffling, talking crap. We can make something of it, but that something is then open to debate. It's to do with liars always hating to be called liars, which is from some viewpoints odd. They would prefer to lie to not be called liars than to be called liars. This man was lying. He wasn't trying to be clear The legality of the situation isn't clear. And it's not that they ARE stupid but that they simulate stupidity rather than accept reality. I'd better go back to work, I think. I have a computer beside which says _You are on a network_ and then asks what I want to do; and when I tell it the reply is _but you are not on a network_ I may have to send in the bailiffs L ----- UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4 wfuk.org.uk/blog ---- Lawrence Upton Dept of Music Goldsmiths, University of London