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Hi Mike. I suggest that you do not get tempted by generic and linear descriptions of design processes. Bryan Lawson argues that such sequential models, although apparently logical, are not supported by evidence (2004:14) and that they seem to be derived only by thinking about design, not by observing or conducting design work (1997:39). My experience is that students taught this way get trouble in several ways. They tend to get stuck in the "research phase" where they try to "find needs" and only after a long time they start to create ideas. Some even have difficulty with the ideas they get "too soon". Another view on the design process is to see design as a learning activity where you learn more the more you work. You learn about the context, activities and people involved which result on both preliminary proposals and descriptions of what can be needs, desires and/or problems. These tend to go hand in hand which Donald Schön has written about. Today I had a class where the students had interviewed designers about their processes, and they seem to differ quite a lot. There is a good paper relating to this: Dorst, Kees (2001) Creativity in the design process: Co-evolution of problem–solution. Design Studies 22, 425–437. And my dissertation deals with this and the idea of design space: http://kth.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2:241661&rvn=1 other refs: Lawson, Bryan (1997) What designers think: Tthe design process demystified, 3rd ed. Oxford, UK: Architectural Press. Lawson, Bryan (2004) What designers know. Oxford, UK: Architectural Press. Cheers, Bosse 21 sep 2011 kl. 02.33 skrev Filippo A. Salustri: > For what it's worth, I have one anecdotal data point for you. > > I was once involved in designing a system to suspend lighting in a small art > gallery. There was another professor from Ryerson there, for other reasons. > We got to talking. When we discovered that we both taught design, she > asked me how I regard the design process. I told her it's (1) figuring out > what the needs really are, (2) generating lots of ideas, (3) choosing one > based on some justifiable rationale, and (4) detailing it all out. > > She said that was just how she taught it too. > > Then she asked me what kind of design I taught. I told her it was > engineering design. > > She was a font designer. > > I'm convinced that designing - the overall process of it - is uniform or at > least generalizable from every design discipline. It's just the domain > knowledge that changes. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Cheers. > Fil > > On 20 September 2011 19:30, McAuley, Mike <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi Terry, >> At the moment my net is cast very wide and is all encompassing. To describe >> where I am at in analogical terms, I have just begun sketching and >> thumbnailing. I am essentially just scoping at the moment. So there is no >> unease for me at this point in time to be excluding any areas considered to >> be within the field of design. So, if the differences are in the details, I >> may well find them. Perhaps, at a certain level I will be able to argue >> that, for example, the process of writing a song is the same as visually >> illustrating a text. Although, already I am discovering that, because I >> can't 'see' musical ideas, my process is very kinaesthetic, the sounds have >> to exist in reality, not in my head. >> >> Mike >> >> Dr. MIKE MCAULEY >> SENIOR LECTURER, SUBJECT DIRECTOR, >> ILLUSTRATION >> Institute of Communication Design >> College of Creative Arts >> Massey University >> Museum Building >> Buckle Street >> Wellington >> http://creative.massey.ac.nz<http://creative.massey.ac.nz/> >> ________________________________ >> >> (04) 801 5799 ext 62461 >> (04 027 357 8799 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Terence Love wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, >> Are you also including engineering design and software design in your >> 'creative disciplines'? >> Terry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related >> research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of >> McAuley, >> Mike >> Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011 6:45 AM >> To: Dr Terence Love >> Subject: differences in process between design and other creative >> disciplines. >> >> I would be interested to know if anyone is doing work which seeks to >> establish differences in process between design and other creative >> disciplines such as music. Obviously outcomes/artefacts are different, but >> are the processes the same? If they are indeed the same, then why do we >> differentiate the design process from the creative process? Questions, >> questions.This is my new, post PhD research direction and one which I seek >> to partly pursue through my own creative practice as a musician and >> illustrator. In my previous work I used Swann's (2002) design process model >> to help describe the processes of my illustration students when they >> interpreted written text into illustrations. Here is the link to the thesis >> if anyone is interested.http://mro.massey.ac.nz/handle/10179/1046 >> >> Creative practice as research method is a new venture for me, but I do >> think >> that having undergone the rigours of a traditional PhD I may now be in a >> position to develop verifiable knowledge. If I don't, well I'm going to >> have >> a ball writing songs and painting! [log in to unmask]<mailto: >> [log in to unmask]> >> >> Mike >> >> Dr. MIKE MCAULEY >> SENIOR LECTURER, SUBJECT DIRECTOR, >> ILLUSTRATION >> Institute of Communication Design >> College of Creative Arts >> Massey University >> Museum Building >> Buckle Street >> Wellington >> http://creative.massey.ac.nz<http://creative.massey.ac.nz/> >> ________________________________ >> >> (04) 801 5799 ext 62461 >> (04 027 357 8799 >> > > > > -- > \V/_ > Filippo A. Salustri, Ph.D., P.Eng. > Mechanical and Industrial Engineering > Ryerson University > 350 Victoria St, Toronto, ON > M5B 2K3, Canada > Tel: 416/979-5000 ext 7749 > Fax: 416/979-5265 > Email: [log in to unmask] > http://deseng.ryerson.ca/~fil/