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Toyin, you might try asking permission from Falcon Press who published an earlier Golden Dawn ms (as opposed to the later redacted Stella Matutina version published by Llewellyn). They might be more amendable. Good luck, PaulH --- On Thu, 9/29/11, toyin adepoju <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: toyin adepoju <[log in to unmask]> Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] DIALOGUE WITH KATHY SCHNEIDER OF LLEWELLYN ON RE-USING A SMALL SECTION OF THE GOLDEN DAWN RITUALS IN A NEW RITUAL To: [log in to unmask] Date: Thursday, September 29, 2011, 11:40 AM I would like the views of any interested person on this communication between myself and a representative of Llewellyn publishers. 1.PERMISSION REQUEST TO USE MATERIAL FROM THE GOLDEN DAWN 27 Sep Dear Sir/Madam, I would like permission to quote the elemental meditations and invocations in The Original Account of the Teachings, Rites and Ceremonies of the Golden Dawn as Revealed by Israel Regardie. I want to use them in a ritual I am developing which I intend to place online for free access.The ritual will quote the words of the Golden Dawn text without any modification. The ritual I am developing is an elemental meditation and invocation. Thanks Toyin Adepoju 2. Kathy Schneider to me 27 Sep Dear Toyin, Unfortunately, Llewellyn cannot grant permission for this. Thank you, Kathy Schneider Permissions Coordinator Llewellyn Worldwide 2143 Wooddale Drive Woodbury, MN 55129-2989 651-312-8576 1-800-843-6666 ext. 8576 [log in to unmask] 3. 27 Sep toyin adepoju to Kathy Thanks. I hope you dont mind my asking why not? I am not challenging your authority. I am just curious. I am also curious because, as far as I know, the Golden Dawn text is a distillation and transformation from various sources. Thanks toyin 4. 29 September toyin adepoju to Kathy Dear Kathy, Good morning. May I humbly and earnestly request that Llewellyn review its position on this? Magical and religious systems grow by accretion and adaptation, of the kind I am requesting your permission to do with a very small fraction of the enormous wealth represented by the Golden Dawn material. If I know my Golden Dawn history well enough, the text was first published through Aleister Crowley's defiance of his oath as a Golden Dawn initiate not to reveal what he was taught. The text itself is fed by various sources, without which the Golden Dawn could not have existed. These include ancient Egyptian rituals, the Enochian workings of John Dee, the Hindu tattvas, among others. In the light of the history of the very book in question itself, I would suggest that Llewellyn permit me to use a small fraction of the text in a ritual I am developing. Thanks toyin 5. 29 September Kathy Schneider to me ) Toyin: Llewellyn stands firmly in its position to deny your request. We do not allow material to be posted online. Kathy Schneider Permissions Coordinator Llewellyn Worldwide 2143 Wooddale Drive Woodbury, MN 55129-2989 651-312-8576 1-800-843-6666 ext. 8576 [log in to unmask] 6. 29 September toyin adepoju to Kathy Thanks. Would you prefer to have it as part of a print book? Thanks toyin 7. 29 September Kathy Schneider to me Bottom line: we aren't granting you permission. Kathy Schneider Permissions Coordinator Llewellyn Worldwide 2143 Wooddale Drive Woodbury, MN 55129-2989 651-312-8576 1-800-843-6666 ext. 8576 [log in to unmask] 8. 29 September toyin adepoju to Kathy Im doing it anyway. Your position is not justifiable in terms of the history of the book you are jealously guarding. toyin 9. 29 September Kathy Schneider to me Then be informed that Llewellyn has ample reason to present you with a lawsuit. Kathy Schneider Permissions Coordinator Llewellyn Worldwide 2143 Wooddale Drive Woodbury, MN 55129-2989 651-312-8576 1-800-843-6666 ext. 8576 [log in to unmask] 10. 29 September toyin adepoju to Kathy An interesting adventure it is likely to be. What does Llewellyn lose from having online a minuscule fraction of a text? We might as well discount the entire ethical legitimacy of the Golden Dawn book which seems to be significantly a bricolage of work created by others different from McGregor Mathers and Wayne Wescott who put the book together. Did they seek permission from copyright holders or even openly acknowledge their sources in the rituals they used? It could be relevant for you to read up on the history of the book we are referring to. It might help you rethink your position. You could start with Israel Regardie's introduction to the book. Thanks Toyin X