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I am glad to say, Caroline, I was wrong. In fact this excelent discussion is giving me a lot of information about this subject, authors and categories, I did not have and I am considering a radical change in my research. So thank you all, Ana. De: Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]> Para: [log in to unmask] Enviado: sábado 17 de septiembre de 2011 12:03 Asunto: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic writing Ana, I don’t think _you_ are against the people on this list, I thought that your reply to me and Dave last night, which I have now deleted so can’t quote, was suggesting that academics can’t – or won’t – understand or value experiences such as visions that practitioner magicians may have. And so I was just saying that there are many magicians on this list who are also studying magic within academia, so aren’t as closed to that idea as it might initially seem. ~Caroline. From:Odrade Atreed [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2011 7:50 PM To: Caroline Tully Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic writing Caroline, I was against the tone of Sam message, not against the people of the list. In fact I really appreciate this space as a rare gem. Sorry if I was misunderstood. Ana. De:Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]> Para: 'Odrade Atreed' <[log in to unmask]> Enviado: sábado 17 de septiembre de 2011 11:44 Asunto: RE: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic writing Ana, a lot of us here _are_ practitioners of various forms of magic *whilst also being academics* so are not as “against” such things as you seem to have interpreted us as being. ~Caroline.