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Caroline, I was against the tone of Sam message, not against the people of the list. In fact I really appreciate this space as a rare gem. Sorry if I was misunderstood. Ana. De: Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]> Para: 'Odrade Atreed' <[log in to unmask]> Enviado: sábado 17 de septiembre de 2011 11:44 Asunto: RE: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic writing Ana, a lot of us here _are_ practitioners of various forms of magic *whilst also being academics* so are not as “against” such things as you seem to have interpreted us as being. ~Caroline. From:Society for The Academic Study of Magic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Odrade Atreed Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2011 3:07 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic writing Although I agree these feeling of "we are very special persons" is around all the esoteric literature, in fact I don´t think this is the cause of this election but the effect. This can be in some people the psychological reaction to an oppresive "reasonable" culture, the "Enlighted" one, the Era of Reason, which has people from the magic culture as "suspicious people". Two months ago, in Almería, a city from Europe, a witch closed her shop because the inhabitants threw her repeatedly eggs and all kind of things to her shop and herself and they insulted her. Although this is a list which discuss magic, your message does not show much respect for the people who develop these tools. Yours, Ana. De:Samuel Wagar <[log in to unmask]> Para: [log in to unmask] Enviado: viernes 16 de septiembre de 2011 18:16 Asunto: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic writing > That Pagans could prefer Ben Whitemore’s ‘Trials of the Moon’ to > Ronald Hutton’s ‘Triumph of the Moon’? No. I am of the opinion that Whitmore flatters Pagans in the same way as Blavatsky in her day - makes us into something "special", the repository of the "Great Lost Tradition that Only a Few Great Enlightened Ones are Prepared For". And so, many Pagans really wanting to be "special" because we are generally really sort of ordinary, grab onto this codswallop. > It is not evident to the non-academic what academic writing entails. Yes, like standards of evidence, logical reasoning and proofs, the use of primary documents and direct evidence where possible and CITATION instead of plagiarism. Appeals to reason and evidence rather than emotion and prejudice. I am excited by reality and find fantasy uninteresting. And I like to be flattered for accomplishment rather than supposed intrinsic "specialness" But that's why I'll never be a Great And Powerful Wizard or charismatic leader. Blessed Be Sam Wagar