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Thank you very much, David. The link is particularly valuable. toyin On 30 September 2011 04:24, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Crowley published most, if not all of the GD material in the Equinox- and > was sued for his troubles. You might find what you are looking for in the > Equinox which is available online in a few places. Try > http://darkbooks.org/ where the PDFs that I have downloaded are all of a > reasonable quality. Good luck with Llewellyn- not my favorite publisher > either. And, they do have a nasty rejection letter. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:50:54 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] DIALOGUE WITH KATHY SCHNEIDER OF > LLEWELLYN ON RE-USING A SMALL SECTION OF THE GOLDEN DAWN RITUALS IN A NEW > RITUAL > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Thank you very much Jason, Paul, Amy, Samuel, Chas and Robert for your > prompt, helpful and heartfelt responses. > > I wish I could communicate on this with Carl Llewellyn Weschke himself. As > a long time magician, I expected a more insightful response from his > company. > > I will get in touch with Falcon Press as well as search for sources of the > material online. The Amazon link Paul provided to the Falcon Press edition > also makes it clear I need to look again at other GD texts since it is > claimed that they are not all identical. > > I am juxtaposing the GD material with some very imaginatively powerful and > yet simple elemental meditations created by Michael Scott in his *The > Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel * fantasy novels series, as he > takes two of his characters, Sophie and Josh, through a sequence of > elemental initiations that represent wonderful poetry and suggest superb > contemplative possibilities, whatever one might think of the miraculous > magical acts that follow the initiations. > > Works of fiction are some of the best works on magical thought and > practice. I got a striking experience once from performing the Catholic > rosary ritual prayer using Tolkien's superb deity descriptions at the > beginning of the *Silmarilion*, correlating the Catholic system and > Tolkien by using Jung's theory of archetypes as an inspirational framework. > > I am also approaching Scott's publishers, Delacorte Press, for permission > to use his material , although that is slowed down by their insisting on > discussing permissions only by surface mail. It would be more delicate to > walk round the Scott material if I dont get permission for that, but even > then, it should be possible to develop something of my own inspired by the > Scott text and content myself with writing about Scott's text as part of an > essay. > > I pray I can use it, though. It is sublime. Combined with the GD > meditations and invocations and the elemental expositions of the > Brihadaranyaka-Upanishad which link the elements with aspect of the human > being and ultimately with the source of being, particularly as they are > translated by W.B.Yeasts and Purohit Swami, one enters into a world in which > the exquisite beauty of the universe is revealed. > > Thanks again. > Toyin > > > On 29 September 2011 20:42, jason winslade <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Publishers are always going to give you the hard line, even if they don't > own the copyright. Unfortunately, Toyin, you're on their radar now. Whether > that means anything, I have no idea. I know you were probably trying to do > right, but all you've done, unfortunately, is draw attention to yourself. My > position on this is that the less publishers know, the better. It's not like > you're plagiarizing. And Llewellyn are hardly going to scan the Internet > looking for excerpts of rituals so they can waste time, money and resources > pursuing a frivolous lawsuit. I think as long as you cite your source and > aren't charging any money for it, you're probably covered by fair use and > scholarly precedent. The worst they can do, if they somehow find the site, > is to send you a cease and desist letter or something like that. > > *From:* Chas S. Clifton <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:33 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] DIALOGUE WITH KATHY SCHNEIDER OF > LLEWELLYN ON RE-USING A SMALL SECTION OF THE GOLDEN DAWN RITUALS IN A NEW > RITUAL > > Llewellyn said no, but as others have mentioned, > you should be able to find the material elsewhere. > > There is absolutely nothing to be gained by > further annoying Ms. Schneider, unless you wish > to convince her that writers on the Golden Dawn > are all obsessive weirdos. > > However, she may well be so convinced already. > > Chas > > > On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:40 PM, toyin adepoju wrote: > > > I would like the views of any interested person on this communication > between myself and a representative of Llewellyn publishers. > > > >