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Actually, Anthony, there are a number of academic practitioners on that list. Best, Amy Amy Hale, PhD Department of Humanities St. Petersburg College On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Anthony H. <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I do find it interesting that scholars who study Pagan practices and their > history/anthropology would firmly shut the door on those who wish to know > more or refine their knowledge about their own practice. > > Those on the outside define those on the inside? > > Strict criteria based on 'scholarly activity' in this case reeks of a > superficiality (judging membership on the status of the user rather than the > quality of his/her content) merely lends itself to base elitism and simple > snobbery. > > There are few enough attempting to validly study and carve out viable > programs in all forms of esoterica. Leaving learned and politely interested > practitioners as an untapped resource may prove to be academic suicide. > > Anthony H. > http://exeter.academia.edu/AnthonyHoltberg > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:14 PM, kaostar <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> academia.edu; yes great resource/networking place >> >> closed groups, open groups, inbetweengroups; it's like the height markers >> at >> Disneyland or the maximum age to join the armed forces, they do that for a >> reason. People might not like the particular reasons for any entry >> criteria, >> but there's no point in banging on a door that is already labelled as "if >> you >> are x or are not y then you don't get in". Join the ones you can, ignore >> the >> rest, and if you do insist on forcing your way into a group that avowedly >> doesn't want you it's going to be painful and isolating anyhow, so what's >> the >> point? >> >> a paraphrase of the entry criteria for here is pretty much 1. ability to >> discuss in academic fashion, and 2. not be an arse, and we are rewarded >> with a >> huge, diverse, proactive, supportive community that is 99.9% a delight to >> be >> part of >> >> rogue scholar i like! >> >> "Independent scholar" used to mean "independently wealthy so can take the >> time >> to do research for the pure pleasure" >> >> nowadays it is closer to "under- or unemployed academic, often poorer than >> a >> church mouse (any denomination of)" >> >> Dave E (of the latter form of IS) >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ----------- >> From: Khem Caigan <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:59:29 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] FW: [Pagan Studies] Feature on what >> rituals may have sounded like at Stonehenge >> >> > On 9/14/2011 3:17 PM, Charlie Farrow wrote: >> > > >> > > I wasn't aware that it was a list that belonged to a particular >> > > institution nor that it was hidden from the riff raff. It sounded >> > > interesting in terms of the material that was being forwarded here and >> > > seemed to imply that independent scholars and people with genuine >> > > research interests might be welcome, but that's fine, I was mistaken. >> > > I >> > > shall creep back under my rock knowing myself to be a want-wit >> > > hoddypeak >> > > and quote Monty Python "How shall we fuck off oh great one?" >> > >> > A lot of doors firmly shut; still others are wide open. >> > >> > The folks at the *National Counsel of Independent Scholars* >> > ( http://www.ncis.org/ )were kind enough to disabuse me of >> > /my/ notion of what an "independent scholar" is after I had >> > joined. >> > >> > The term "outsider scholar" is taken. Until something better >> > comes along, "rogue scholar" will just have to do ;) >> > >> > rogue scholar >> > @UrbanDictionary >> > http://tinyurl.com/5tsosds >> > >> > For purposes of networking, allow me to recommend Academia.edu : >> > >> > http://academia.edu/ >> > >> > Congenial environment, with lots of friendly scholars from all >> > around the globe. >> > >> > Cors in Manu Domine, >> > >> > ~ Khem Caigan >> > <[log in to unmask]> >> > >> > "Heat and Moisture are Active to Generation; >> > Cold and Dryness are Passive, in and to each Thing; >> > Fire and Air, Active by Elementation; >> > Water and Earth, Passive to Generation." >> > >> > *Of the Division of Chaos* >> > -Dr. Simon Forman >> ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > -- > "Magic is the highest most absolute and divine knowledge of natural > philosophy advanced in its works and wonderful operations by a right > understanding of the inward and occult vertue of things, so that true agents > being applied to proper patients, strange and admirable effects will thereby > be produced; whence magicians are profound and diligent searchers into > nature, they because of their skill know how to anticipate an effect which > to the vulgar shall seem a miracle." > > - Lemegeton Clavicula Salomonis, Preface from Harl. 6483 > >