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Dear Rosan, I think the distinctions you make are useful as ways of watching what we do when we do stuff. Catching ourselves thinking and acting requires certain skills that can be employed with or without reflection on the processes. Phenomenology can assist in making us more aware of how we are always more in the world and of the world than we bother to attend to. cheers keith >>> Rosan Chow <[log in to unmask]> 09/08/11 7:10 PM >>> Hi Keith, The connection between phenomenology and projection is interesting. I think I can grasp what you mean. Sure, we might talk of the 'act of consciousness' or the 'act of thinking' and I don't want to be a dualist; however, the act of thinking is not actually the act of acting. Or? Projection, as I understand how Jonas uses it to mean, is a form of thinking and its outcome is a form of knowledge, although highly fallible. (This fits well with what you have said.) It is so fallible that people label it as guess, hunch, conjecture, hypothesis, speculation, scenario, fiction and what have you. These would only earn the title knowledge after we act on them. (You must see the shadow of Dewey and Peirce here?) With 'projection before analysis', I want(ed) to follow others (too many to name, but Ranjan was my defender, so I must mention him in particular) to say that the capacity to project about the unknown and into the future is the chief competence of design(ers). Projection might/should guide the analysis of the present (the province of descriptive and explanatory research) and not the other way around as we have been indoctrinated. By the way, what do I need to do to get the legal drug that you have? G'day. Rosan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Rosan, I took your concept of "projection before analysis" to be part of a general phenomenological account of what we can see we do when we are conscious of our intentionality. Existentialism is big on PROJECT - one must have a project, one must project consciousness into the world (a world). I think one can take Don's concept in a similar way - that is, it is an account of one of the ways we go about doing things. I agree that they are not the same. To add to the mix, I would include my own little understanding which goes: attention, selection, election. I have talked about this before but I was reminded just the other day by an experience. Currently I am take some drugs (legal) that alter my awareness slightly. Mostly they slow me down. But, anyway, while sitting and musing, I noticed my eye would sift from object to object (attention). I would then focus on one of the things that my attention had been drawn to (selection) and then, out of the multiple things I had focused on, I would take one and use it as the basis of a stream of conscious interpretation (election). Terry would point out that the initial action of attention was pre-enacted in non-conscious parts of my brain. I am cool with this. So, maybe we are always projecting (complex mixture of attention. selection, election) which mens, in some way, we are always acting first (there is always a first act of consciousness which, at a minimum, equals attention.) cheers keith Rosan Chow, Ph.D. Research Scientist Design Research Lab Deutsche Telekom Laboratories UdK Berlin Einsteinufer 43, 10587 Berlin,Germany Office +49 (30) 8353-58357 Mobile +49 (160) 90-96-6133 Fax +49 (30) 8353-58609 mailto:[log in to unmask] http://www.design-research-lab.org<http://www.design-research-lab.org/> http://www.telekom.de/laboratories Deutsche Telekom AG Aufsichtesrat: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner (Vorsitzender) Vorstand: René Oberman (Vorsitzender) Dr. Manfred Balz, Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme, Timotheus Höttges, Edward R, Kozel, Thomas Sattelberger Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 6794, Sitz der Gesellschaft:: Bonn WEEE-Reg.-Nr.:DE50478376