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I agree with Sharon. The sick note goes to the manager and they need to make the decision as to whether to accept it or not. Although experience tells me that the manager will want your input. I would advise them to contact the employee and if referral to OH becomes apparent (a medical reason disclosed) they need to go through the correct referral process with relevant questions on the referral form. With employees permission you may be able to give them more info as to whether an underlying medical reason but I would hope that if that was the case the GP would have said so. Kind Regards Lesley ________________________________ From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Naylor, Sharon [HMPS] Sent: 17 August 2011 12:24 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Fit note diagnosis: "Family crisis" - help please If management do not want to accept this as a viable reason for absence from work its their call - I have seen sick notes signing people off "due to wifes caesarian section". Got to say that as manager I wouldnt accept this..... ________________________________ From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Shields Sent: 17 August 2011 12:19 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Fit note diagnosis: "Family crisis" - help please Hi I have dealt with a few of these through time and agree that if their GP states not fit for work then that should stand, however, I tended to give support as a "family crisis" could be quite devastating to the said person. If the manager is not supportive with the fit note comments then that is down to the business to decide if they can support them - i.e sick pay time off etc. I tried not to get too involved but offered support by telephone consultation, obviously it all depends on what crisis is happening. It is clearly something very personal to that person hence the comment on the fit note - which is understandable. No doubt they will discuss this with you and as we as nurses, as we all know, are covered by confidentiality then the manager does not have the right to enquire fully into detail. It is suprising how much extra information you can find out - they might actually be medicated which could cause unsafe working (dependant on the job role), but when working for a specific company and not a service provider I always made contact to offer support. Hope that helps a little Karen > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:53:40 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Fit note diagnosis: "Family crisis" - help please > To: [log in to unmask] > > yes with you on this, esp if the GP is saying that they are not fit for work > > Anna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roisin Smyth" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:10 AM > Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Fit note diagnosis: "Family crisis" - help please > > > Hi Folks > > A manager has contacted me to discuss a fit note recently handed in by an > employee. > In the diagnosis line the GP has said "family crisis". The manager is > telling me that he > does not think he should accept this as a valid fit note, as family crisis > is obviously not > a diagnosis. > The manager is calling in to see me for some advice later - any thoughts? > I'm checking > through the DWP advice again regarding fit notes but would really like to > hear what you think > too. > I tend to agree with the manager, but how would you manage this one? 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