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Hang on a bit people in the US, these are not race riots and race is not an issue in this flare up. Having just spent a wakeful night with local rioting going on round the corner, with white/black and every shade in between - in Oxford!!! - my view is that these young people are hugely angry: angry at two-faced, champagne lifestyle politicians, media moghuls and businessmen repeatedly saying 'we are all in this together' when this is a blatant lie which is perceptible to even the most poorly educated person. They are angry that they the small allowance they had to go to college has been scrapped, there is no change of going to university with tuition fees of £9k a year, that there are no jobs, they have no access to the possessions by which society measures social success and worth, and no hope. It isn't right to do what they are doing, and they lack a coherent cause or voice, but boy, are they angry. Best wishes and please keep the personal insults of this list! Kind regards Laura Davis 3 Hillsale Piece Oxford OX4 4GG 01865 236224 07913 424731 On 10 Aug 2011, at 14:40, Vernellia Randall wrote: > You insituated that being a lawyer meant that I should always support the law. I tried to explain that I bring a different perspective to the law -- a perspective born out of my racial history. If explaining my background and how it affects my perspective is playing the race card -- then I take no shame - I played the race card and I am proud of it. Because the race card was appropriate under the circumstance, > > My experience is the rioting in your own community does bring change -- because white communities in their fear of the overspill will take at least temporary action to institute improvement in the black communities. > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Axel Kaehne <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Maybe you should think a bit harder about what you said. The law breaking they have condoned is directed against oppressive laws, laws that we have come to consider unjust. That distinction ever occurred to you or have you missed freshers' introduction when you studied law? > > The law breaking in London is directed against some of the poorest communities. > > And stop playing the race card! It wont help you anymore. The victims of the rioters in London, living in the most deprived areas, are black too. So trashing their communities is not going to improve anything! > > > On 10 Aug 2011, at 14:22, Vernellia Randall wrote: > >> Of course I condone law breaking. My great-grandparents were slave. My father lived during jim crow and was almost killed by a white man for saying hello to a white woman and depsite his college education had to drive taxis and work in factories. I went to segregated schools because of the law. I went to colored bathrooms because of the law. I had to sit in the back of the bus because of the law . . . >> >> Yes I condone law breaking as did Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr. Jesus and many others. >> >> I stand by my statement -- Breaking the law is not the worst thing -- Accepting oppression quietly is far worst. >> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Axel Kaehne <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> You are a professor in LAW and you condone law breaking??? Geez, you really need to check if your head is screwed on the right way! >> >> >> On 10 Aug 2011, at 13:55, Vernellia Randall wrote: >> >>> Rioting is not the worst thing in the world. Accepting oppression quietly is far worst. >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Dennis Raphael <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime -- Aristotle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Vernellia R. Randall >>> Professor of Law >>> University of Dayton >>> >>> No Democrats! No Republicans! Go Green! >>> Life in a Post-racial America. Ain't it Grand! >>> A rising tide lifts all boats, sinks all rafts and drowns the people treading water!! >>> >>> >>> I am a fan of Reclamation Gallery >>> http://www.reclamationgallery.com/ >>> >>> Webinar Video's >>> http://vimeo.com/profvrandall/albums >>> >>> Race, Racism and American Law >>> Http://academic.udayton.edu/race/ >>> >> >> Dr Axel Kaehne >> Welsh Centre for Learning Disabilities >> School of Medicine >> Heath Park >> Cardiff >> CF14 4XN >> Phone 029 20 687 212 >> Fax 029 20 687 100 >> [log in to unmask] >> >> http://medicine.cf.ac.uk/en/person/mr-axel-kaehne/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Vernellia R. Randall >> Professor of Law >> University of Dayton >> >> No Democrats! No Republicans! Go Green! >> Life in a Post-racial America. Ain't it Grand! >> A rising tide lifts all boats, sinks all rafts and drowns the people treading water!! >> >> >> I am a fan of Reclamation Gallery >> http://www.reclamationgallery.com/ >> >> Webinar Video's >> http://vimeo.com/profvrandall/albums >> >> Race, Racism and American Law >> Http://academic.udayton.edu/race/ >> > > Dr Axel Kaehne > Welsh Centre for Learning Disabilities > School of Medicine > Heath Park > Cardiff > CF14 4XN > Phone 029 20 687 212 > Fax 029 20 687 100 > [log in to unmask] > > http://medicine.cf.ac.uk/en/person/mr-axel-kaehne/ > > > > > -- > Vernellia R. Randall > Professor of Law > University of Dayton > > No Democrats! No Republicans! Go Green! > Life in a Post-racial America. Ain't it Grand! > A rising tide lifts all boats, sinks all rafts and drowns the people treading water!! > > > I am a fan of Reclamation Gallery > http://www.reclamationgallery.com/ > > Webinar Video's > http://vimeo.com/profvrandall/albums > > Race, Racism and American Law > Http://academic.udayton.edu/race/ >