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With all due respect, this is not new…and the overall concept is more than aptly captured in the hierarchy of provision.  It just that most transport planners, engineers and politicians seem not to have heard of it or recognise it exists, let alone design transportation systems based on it.

 

That said, as a cycle campaigner, I share your frustrations with cycle campaigners, but much of this the (general) culture of campaigning in a UK setting….and the associated frustrations.  Campaigns get captured by those  who bang the table loudest (often single interest sub-groups), or gain so much publicity that outsiders think they represent the views of the whole.  (I seem to remember the International Socialists were very good at that when I first went to University (a lot of years ago)).  In this respect it would be interesting to examine the tactics of the two most successful campaigns, those associated with live animal exports and Gurka rights, to learn the lessons.

 

But the foundation of reasoned and rationale arguments go out if the window, particularly if, as is often the case, little supporting evidence or information on which to base the debate (or not exchanged).  And in the absence of information, emphasising the lack of knowledge…all that’s left is politics!

 

This seems to be the standard tactic of elected representatives and, more worryingly, the executive.  So much so that personally I tend to lead into all consultation invitations with a freedom of Information request these days.

 

In such an (anti-) social participation environment it is very easy to lose sight of very basic frameworks that would, if deployed, help focus efforts to produce a safe and encouraging highways environment for cyclists (and pedestrians and the disabled).

 

To be honest there are times when I feel that researchers are spending too much time and effort researching the culture of cyclists, when we would be much better served researching the attitudes of politicians, officers and non-cycle owning public to cycling (and not the cyclists themselves).

 

Cheers

 

John Meudell

 

 

 

 

 

From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dave du Feu
Sent: 26 August 2011 00:34
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Urban vs rural

 

I largely agree with Richard.   For years we have been plagued by those campaigners who appeared to think that cycle facilities are largely not needed and that we just need to train up everyone enough so that they can use the roads as they are.

Let's not go to the extreme opposite where we support nothing except wholly segregated very wide bike paths.

An 'unambiguous position' is just not feasible given physical and political (including cost) realities.

Research seems pretty clear that to get the absolute maximum cycle usage an infrastructure such as Netherlands/ Denmark is required.   We should aim/fight for that where it is physically and politically realistic.

However in many places it is not realistic, either in the short/medium term for political reasons or often in the medium/long term for physical reasons (as Richard points out).  Yet cities like Oxford and Edinburgh have shown that quite substantial increases in bike use are perfectly feasible using non-physically-segregated onroad measures such as widespread onroad bike and bus/bike lanes, ASLs, parking restrictions, bus priorities, etc.   No, these cities have not risen to European levels of bike use, but they have risen substantially, in a situation where European-style infrastructure was absolutely not feasible, usually for both physical and political reasons.

Perhaps ironically, by succeeding in raising bike use significantly, such cities are increasing the pressure to gradually develop a segregated infrastructure.  That is certainly the case in Edinburgh where the recent Active Travel Action Plan [http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2010/09/cec-active-travel-action-plan/] has a 2-pronged approach - first, to make the road system appear as safe and welcoming as possible with measures such as above (called "cycle friendly city") and second, at the same time, to gradually develop a network (the "family network") which would be segregated as far as possible, as and when physical and cost realities allow.  This pragmatic dual approach seems to me highly realistic and to be commended.

Dave (du Feu) involved with Spokes the Lothian Cycle Campaign

On 24 August 2011 12:57, Richard Mann <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

People are more mutable than property boundaries. What happens on the
A48 is mostly a matter of cost and priorities: the crux of the matter
is what happens in towns, and there we come up against the unfortunate
fact that we built a lot of our main roads with 50ft between
properties (and 30ft between drainage channels). We'd be a bit stuck
if it weren't for people being adaptable. What we probably need is
some academic understanding of how people can (and are prepared to)
change to fit the roads, just as much as the other way round (hint:
they drive more slowly).

Richard


On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Horton, Dave
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Ian, Richard and all
>
> I absolutely agree with Ian about this, and I also wonder whether it is perhaps time that those of us who engage in thinking about cycling and/or who have conducted empirical research into cycling start figuring out how best to throw our collective weight behind as unambiguous a position as we can muster.
>
> I personally believe (based on recent empirical research with which I have been involved) that such a position should be based firmly around the idea that a mainstream culture of ordinary cycling (whether across England, across Britain, or indeed, across anywhere else) will only emerge if we create the structural-material affordances to it - this would include the kind of provision which Ian suggests is required along the A48. More broadly, it would include starting boldly on the path - to be continued over a generation and more - of designing and building our mobility environments (whether 'urban' and/or 'rural') around the assumption that cycling is the most sensible and obvious mode of mobility for most people, for most of the time, for journeys of five miles (8 km) or less.
>
> If the 'research community' could reach consensus around the kinds of changes required, it could potentially have a much more significant effect on the 'advocacy', 'practitioner' and 'policy' communities.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Dave Horton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list on behalf of Ian Perry
> Sent: Fri 19/08/2011 12:22
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Urban vs rural
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> In this case then, it is best to do nothing - and accept that the Dutch are
> the only nation in Europe "foolish" enough to invest their money in
> rural/intercity cycling infrastructure.
>
> There are a number of villages, with children along the A48 - but we do not
> see the children as they are safely locked away...  Each day buses move
> children short distances along the A48 (and other main-roads) to schools,
> which are just a short cycle ride away.  Not only do segregated rural
> cycling paths allow daily utility cycling, but also leisure cycling and
> infrequent travel to visit neighbouring towns.  Yes, very few make these
> journeys by bicycle today, but no one in the towns and villages along the
> A48 uses a train to travel from home...  because there are no trains...
>
> If we build the right infrastructure, people will use it, and the larger we
> build the network, the more often they will use it!
>
> Rural infrastructure is probably as good an investment as urban
> infrastructure - without it, cycling will remain in a tiny niche.
>
> Ian
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Richard Mann <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Ian Perry
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > There are some who would like to see a cycle lane painted in the gutter
>> of
>> > the A48 (and other main routes).  However, I would not let my child (or
>> want
>> > to see any child) use them, with vehicles speeding past at 60, 70, 80 mph
>> > just centimetres away!  Cheap is not good, and often unusable. It is time
>> > that in the UK we did things well - cheap is often a waste of time and
>> > money!
>> > What should happen is that the road is narrowed, and the saved space (on
>> one
>> > side) used to provide a segregated, two-way cycle path that everyone
>> > considers safe and attractive to use.  Painted hard-shoulders are not
>> > acceptable or attractive to most, provide limited safety, and thus the
>> most
>> > expensive form of cycling infrastructure.
>>
>> Nobody is going to spend that money if only a handful will use it.
>> You'd be exceedingly lucky to get a child that far out of Bridgend,
>> regardless of facility (maybe if you installed a free sweet-dispenser
>> every hundred yards, but otherwise forget it). It's not pleasant
>> cycling alongside high-speed traffic, even if you've got a segregated
>> route.
>>
>> It's time we did things well = it's time we did things exceedingly
>> slowly, and probably not even start.
>>
>> Alternatively, you can copy places in the UK that have been successful
>> (cue ad for my paper in Glasgow)
>>
>> Richard
>




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