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A couple of other posts worth a look. http://www.compassonline.org.uk/news/item.asp?n=13301 http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/penny090811.html On 11/08/2011 15:39, richard pemberton wrote: > Layard on Rioting! This is worth reading > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/10/uk-riots-political-classes > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, CRAIG NEWNES > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > There was a nice piece in the Times suggesting that the one thing > missing from any analysis was the simple fact that humans can be > violent and enjoy it - but the writer let herself down by > suggesting such violence could be "analysed." We do what we do. > Craig > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Liz Cunningham <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Thursday, 11 August, 2011 15:03:23 > > *Subject:* Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Why the riots? > > Sorry > > I’m not suggesting we need to see their faces – obviously – but > other interviews with young people have just had them stand with > their back to the camera… > > But > > I’m just worried about all the things that have been disappearing > from the bbc – Darcus Howe etc… > > Liz Cunningham > > Senior Lecturer > > SASS > > room 251 Mayfield House > > 01273 643228 > > *From:*The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of > *[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* 11 August 2011 14:59 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: Why the riots? > > Thanks Jacqui > > I find it interesting that in the 2^nd link on girls, if you do > click on the link in the bps article to watch the clip on the bbc, > that it has now been censored in some way and you cannot see the > girls, only hear them. > > Liz Cunningham > > Senior Lecturer > > SASS > > room 251 Mayfield House > > 01273 643228 > > *From:*The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of > *Jacqueline Akhurst (J.Akhurst) > *Sent:* 11 August 2011 14:37 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: Why the riots? > > Dear all, > > Mark, thanks for your succinct ‘take’ on the recent events – I > believe you capture the essence of the problems, and would > encourage you to submit it to the ‘Psychologist’, in response to > the commentary on the BPS website at: > > http://www.bps.org.uk/news/coverage-riots-increases-anxiety > > http://www.bps.org.uk/news/why-do-we-worry-more-if-girls-riot > > http://www.bps.org.uk/news/social-media-and-social-unrest > > Richard, in response to your question, we have been working on a > response during this week (collaborative effort always takes a bit > more time), and we hope to have our ‘piece’ up on the BPS website > in the morning. We agree that there need to be clear messages that > locate the difficulties at the centre of our socio-political > system and the dominant rhetoric to which we have been subjected. > > Jacqui A > > *From:*The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *richard > pemberton > *Sent:* 11 August 2011 07:53 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Why the riots? > > This does feel like an important political moment are we going to > be trapped in a hang them flog them and fill up more prisons blind > alley yet again or actually look at what it going on here? Does > the special interest group have anything to say? Mark is right it > is complicated but some simple clear messages need to be injected > into the national debate? > > Richard > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Jacqui Lovell > <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > The people participating will however be criminalised, unlike the > bankers, and the ramifications of their actions will carry over > into their lives for some time to come….. > > Jacqui Lovell > > Project Lead > > developing partners cic > > Yarm Rd Methodist Church > > Yarm Rd > > Stockton on Tees > > TS18 3NW > > Tel: 07505 221036 > > Email: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > www.developingpartners.org.uk <http://www.developingpartners.org.uk/> > > *From:*The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Sue Roffey > *Sent:* 11 August 2011 05:28 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: Why the riots? > > Yes, exactly. Think I might print out some copies of this to take > round with me to counter the simplistic blame narratives that are > springing up. > > When greed is acceptable in obscene bankers bonuses it puts sports > shoes in a different context > > Pleased, however, to see some more thoughtful commentary in the > Guardian. > > The violence towards ordinary people has been distressing on > several counts, including clouding the issues that Mark has raised. > > Sue Roffey > > On 11/08/2011, at 7:56 AM, Mark Burton wrote: > > Appalled by the standard of debate bout these events....here's my > take on it:- > > *Why the riots?* > > *The neoliberal capitalism of Thatcher, Murdoch, Blair, Bush, > Obama, China, the banks, Jonathan Ross, Richard Branson, has….. * > > Taught us that what is important is material possessions > > Made whole sections of the population superfluous > > Funded the gaining of possessions through high levels of personal > and household debt > > Destroyed traditional communities based on workplace, destroying > the sources of self worth and responsibility > > Ridiculed collective values, privatised and marginalised social > provision > > Commercialised childhood > > Forced many working people into unemployment, underemployment or > insecure, casual low wage work, stressing and undermining family life > > Fetishised the trivial, the celebrity, cheapening culture and > celebrating selfishness and boorishness > > Encouraged rocketing inequality > > Shown that exotic levels of violence against people and their > towns and cities is just fine > > Encouraged the import of cheap labour and thereby sown distrust > and division among working people > > Crashed, increasing poverty, inequality, precariousness, > resentment and further weakened collective, social, cultural > resources. > > *So why the surprise?* > > The riots are not a protest > > The riots are not caused by public spending cuts > > The riots are not a result of criminality > > The riots are not riots > > The riots are not class action > > The riots are not a result of bad parenting > > The riots are not the politics of envy > > The riots are all these things and none of them > > The riots are a result of a coming together of forces and > processes. There is no simple explanation and no explanation in > the behaviour of the individual looter. > > To understand the riots requires an understanding of how economy, > politics, ideology, belief, motivation, morality, socialisation > and the dynamics of belonging and alienation work together as > system and systems. > > Don’t tell me that is an excuse, and don’t tell me how tough you > are going to be. Tell me you see that this is complicated and it > requires a completely different way of living our society. > > As ye sow, so shall ye reap. 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