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Thanks for this - I have obviously completely misunderstood Ali G. Robert From: British & Irish poets [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Bircumshaw Sent: 25 July 2011 18:16 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Amy Winehouse PS Robert I just checked and the 'real' fictional name of the Ali G character was 'Alistair Leonard Graham' - not a noted Asian style of name even In Staines. On 25 July 2011 17:50, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: On 25 July 2011 14:49, Hampson, R <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Wasn't 'Ali G' mocking young Asians wanting to be black? Robert I'm not sure if the Ali G target was specifically Asians (in Staines or without) Robert but a) it's nothing unusual among white kids - I see it myself a plenty b) Ali G did seem to be white which is a bit odd as c) Asians (in the UK meaning Indians and Pakistanis usually) are generally seen as being 'black' . On 25 July 2011 14:49, Hampson, R <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Wasn't 'Ali G' mocking young Asians wanting to be black? Robert From: British & Irish poets [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Jamie McKendrick Sent: 24 July 2011 11:07 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Amy Winehouse I think she was and is taken so seriously because people who listened to her could tell the difference between play and parody. Unlike Ali G (though there the mockery may be partly directed at white youth wanting to be black), her music plays around with but shows a genuine reverence for the traditions of black music. Jamie ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Amy Winehouse When I first heard Amy Winehouse I wondered how anyone could take seriously such a blatant parody of The Soul Diva then when I discovered she was Jewish I began to smile (this is musical Ali Gee I thought) and when I discovered that the Hawley Arms was one of her favourite pubs I positively warmed to her (if it's still anything like I remember it from the 80s). -- David Joseph Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ -- David Joseph Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ -- David Joseph Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/