Many people who work in OH do not work in a "department" as such, they may be a lone practitioner in a company for example, or work in a peripatetic position for a large provider. Likely then that these people would be "managed" by disparate people such as HR or account managers. I am also aware of companies that offer OH services that have (eg) a psychologist as the manager 
 
Like Anne I would think it preferable that the function is managed by someone who understands what it is all meant to be about - but this  is not practical/possible  in a lot of circumstances. Actually I would a lot of sympathy for someone who was "drafted " in to manage an OH dept with no OH understanding as I am sure they would feel very vulnerable, have a lot of conflicting issues and would generally feel up the creek without even an OH paddle.
 
It would be very different if that non OH manager was acting as a mentor/offering practise placements I would suppose, but others would be much more qualified to comment on this than me

Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:55:27 +0100
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] comments & opinions pls
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Re: [OCC-HEALTH] comments & opinions pls The difficulty is that OHNs work outside of the normal health care management structures. As there is no legal requirement to provide an OH service then those that do provide one can appoint who they like. The person who is best placed to manage a service is the person who is best able to manage. I would hope that the person who leads an OHS would be a nurse who is appropriately qualified and experienced, however we must bear in mind that we are not the only professional group who practice workplace health management. An OHS may be managed by an OH physician they are not nurses so they cannot be on the SCPHN register.

The manager may be a Registered Nurse and hold a qualification which is not validated by the NMC. For example, the MSc in OH taught at Birmingham University. An excellent course but not NMC validated. The NMC state that the practice teacher must be on the SCPHN register. Many of our past students (at least one of whom subscribes to this list) and were  lone practitioners when they studied on our programme. They developed a relationship with an OHN locally who could supervise their practice from an educational perspective. The UKCC/NMC never challenged this – probably because they didn’t think to ask the question as it was foreign territory to them – they seem to think we all practice like HVs. My argument would have been that unless we facilitated their learning in this way these lone practitioners would be disbarred from studying on an OH course and lone practitioners are the most vulnerable so disbarring them from a programme of study would have done nobody any favours.

Anne
Anne Harriss
Course Director
LONDON SOUTH BANK UNIVERSITY  




On 29/06/2011 09:33, "John Burton" <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

An OH student has recently raised some interesting questions and issues that I have decided to share here and hopefully get some useful different insights:
 
Does the NMC stipulate that person on Part 3 of register must be supervised or managed by fellow Part 3 nurse only?
 
Can an OH dept be managed by an RGN with no OH experience or qualification? - this worried me as the student is aware of a dept where this happens. An inexperienced and unqualified nurse manager was redeployed into the role. The issues here are that the dept staff feel the reputation of OH has been damaged as the Mng practices according to her Nurse Mng knowlege and not from OH experience or understanding
 
So must a manager of Part 3 nurse be on Part 3 themselves?
is this considered desirable? essential?
 
Look fwd to ideas, comments and opinions
 
Best Wishes
John
 
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