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Another point which needs to be made is that the readers have collectively purchased the books, e-books, computers and services etc which comprise the library. They own those things and use them on a shared or co-operative basis. That is the essence of a library - that it is comprised of shared resources. if we borrow a video from the library, we are borrowing our own video - whereas if we are borrowing it from blockbusters it is a commodity which we do not own, but which is being lent to us by the shopkeeper in exchange for money. Charging for items and services which we already own is not only a nonsense but it undermines the whole rationale of a library and transforms it bit by bit into a shop. Martyn --- On Fri, 3/6/11, John Dolan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: John Dolan <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Charging for the loan of E books To: [log in to unmask] Date: Friday, 3 June, 2011, 17:04 The compunction to debate charging for e-books undermines the national will to provide a free public library service … to anyone, let alone to “all those who are desirous to make use …..” Ian Clark is right. E-books are a phase in the movement of change in learning, information, culture and communications in general. It raises therefore, the question, again: where is the continuity of principle about the public library purpose that carries imaginative forward planning through the various phases of technological, social or other change. Many recent list discussions are about increasing income through § Associated services – shops, souvenirs [check the market], the ubiquitous “coffee” [need footfall and a product service to match – from restaurant to drinks machine], [Tried toilets? Stations do] or § Core business – like e-books, meeting facilities, community information display and even, heaven forbid, reference use of computers and internet Fear not I’ve researched all of these and introduced some; tell your elected members there’s a bit of income to be had but there’s more to the library than this. This is all understandable in the present economic – and political – climate, but there’s a fundamental principle: Ø e-book = book Ø Public library = free books Ø Ergo, public library = free e-books Now how do we move on to the fundamental issues of how we transform libraries into important cultural, learning, information and community centres that contribute to social justice and economic comfort? Yet again … it’s not just about stamping out books! John John Dolan OBE, BA, Dip Lib, MCLIP E. [log in to unmask] Tw. @johnrdolan T. 0121 476 4258 M. 07508 204200 -----Original Message----- From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ian Clark Sent: 03 June 2011 09:04 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Charging for the loan of E books I found this online which quotes the DCMS as saying that libraries can charge for ebooks, but that was before the election so may not apply: http://www.thebookseller.com/news/libraries-can-charge-e-books-dcms-conf irms.html Ian Clark Library Systems Officer, Augustine House, Canterbury Christ Church University Email: [log in to unmask] Tel. 01227 767700 ext 3141 -----Original Message----- From: John Dolan [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 03 June 2011 08:08 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Charging for the loan of E books Do you have a reference for this statement from DCMS? John John Dolan OBE, BA, Dip Lib, MCLIP E. [log in to unmask] Tw. @johnrdolan T. 0121 476 4258 M. 07508 204200 -----Original Message----- From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Laura Swaffield Sent: 01 June 2011 11:02 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Charging for the loan of E books DCMS says it's illegal. Funny, though, they never said that about talking books.... Laura ________________________________________ From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jon Scown [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 01 June 2011 10:09 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Charging for the loan of E books ---------------------- Information from the mail header ----------------------- Sender: "lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries" <[log in to unmask]> Poster: Jon Scown <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Charging for the loan of E books ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- --- Dear all We are in the process of setting up an E = books service in LibrariesWest=0D=0Aand would be interested to hear from an= y authorities that either=0D=0Acurrently charge end users or are planning t= o charge them - the=0D=0Amechanism used, amount charged, feedback from user= s etc. We're also keen=0D=0Ato hear from authorities that have considered a= nd rejected charging and=0D=0Athe reasons for this. 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