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As one who started one recent cycle of discussion of this on Psci-Comm, just wanted to say it seems a shame that you've "had a lot of off list messages from people who support me, are in or have been in my position, and are too intimidated to reply" A shame if they feel intimidated, I mean... I hope none of us think the worse of anyone for *taking* one of these positions. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Michaela Livingstone < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Much respect for having done what you did, but I don't think volunteering > programmes that require a bit more commitment necessarily have to stand in > peoples' way, and being cynical doesn't help either. I've worked hard for > everything, be that taking up part time jobs during my degree, scrimping > hard to do anything, etc, so I feel though my experience isn't as bad as it > can get, it wasn't exactly easy either. At least my parents, though wary > about the financial burden of sending a kid to uni, weren't of the attitude > that it wouldn't be of any use. But I knew what I wanted to do and have been > willing to do whatever to better my chances, even if it's not ideal. I > definitely wouldn't say no if At-Bristol wanted to pay me for my work, but > as I understand it, that wouldn't be feasible for them and I don't expect > it. > > I'm going to stand out of this debate for now as I feel I've put across my > perspective as best I can, but finish (for now) by saying I've had a lot of > off list messages from people who support me, are in or have been in my > position, and are too intimidated to reply. I genuinely want to frankly > debate these issues, if that helps guide in some way, people who in the > future might find them self in such a position, so that a balance can be > reached between being able to offer opportunities and making sure EVERYONE > can take them, then we're talking of organising an event, and making sure > ALL point of views are represented so maybe we can figure out a way to make > a real difference. > > There's nothing I can do here about the sorts of companies who are standing > in the way of social mobility (the documentary I saw on BBC about this, and > also David Cameron's lack of care about why it might be bad to give a > neighbour an internship made me SICK!) but yes, I am idealistic and naive > and inexperienced. But I will try to do what I can on the chance that I can > make a small difference. I hope to keep the idealistic bit at least for as > long as possible. And of this, I am unashamed. > > Many thanks for reading. > > Michaela. > > On 25 May 2011 10:37, jennifer gristock <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Quote: "where there's a will, there's a way" >> >> You don't sound pushy, you sound inexperienced. >> >> With the greatest will in the world, there are many situations in which >> the 'opportunities' you describe are not an option. I speak as someone who >> raised a family at the same time as doing my three degrees and at the same >> time as doing paid work in science journalism. At 22. >> >> I personally respect your decision to seize the opportunity to work for >> free. But this still makes life harder for those who cannot do so. 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