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Afternoon all Another route for content providers like us is via JISC. We (ie IHS and NBS) take this route with The Construction Information Service, which contains expensive-to-obtain documents. We've just renewed the JISC agreement for 3 years and I was in the negotiations. Among the advantages for end-user HEIs is that JISC understands the financial pressures on its members over that period and negotiates prices hard with the likely financial patterns of HEIs over that period in mind. It also deals robustly with continuous improvement issues such and federated access and metadata and requires its contractors to plug into new JISC content development initiatives. Keith Keith Wilson Technical Information Director NBS The Old Post Office St Nicholas Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 1RH T +44 (0) 191 244 5517 (Direct) T +44 (0) 191 244 5500 (Reception) F +44 (0) 191 232 5714 www.theNBS.com <blocked::http://www.thenbs.com/> NBS is a trading name of RIBA Enterprises Ltd Registered Office: 15 Bonhill Street London EC2P 2EA Registered in England 978271 From: Architecture Librarians group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carla Marchesan Sent: 25 May 2011 14:16 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: AJ Buildings Online[Scanned-Clean] I think this is a good issue to present for discussion at the AGM: a negotiating strategy. We might want to think if we want, in the future, to reply to those approaching us individually to sell us new databases and services, that ARCLIB will negotiate on our behalf a consistent deal and that we will require an extended trial period for new products so that they will comply with our exacting standards, or something along the line. Best Wishes, Carla Carla Marchesan Librarian The Prince's Foundation for the Built Environment 19-22 Charlotte Road, London EC2A 3SG [log in to unmask] Tel: 020 7613 8507 Fax: 020 7613 8599 The Prince's Foundation is a company limited by guarantee, no 3579567. Registered in England and Wales, the registered office is 19-22 Charlotte Road, EC2A 3SG. It is registered charity no 1069969 Click here to find out about the PFBE's Poundbury Series <http://www.princes-foundation.org/index.php?id=281> ________________________________ From: Architecture Librarians group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Buri, David Sent: 25 May 2011 12:34 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: AJ Buildings Online[Scanned-Clean] I think these sort of situations are going to arise more and more as traditional architectural publishers try to get online in order to retain their market share and survive - I guess we'll need to stick together and maybe toughen up a bit to get what we collectively want, particularly when so many publishers seem delusional about the true value of their content. Personally I find it especially hard when publishers wheel in academics and students to put additional pressure on me to purchase dodgy content - this happened to me with Wayne Hemingway's 'Land of Lost Content' image database last year. I seemed to be the only person remotely troubled by the fact that images of the Forth Bridge were indexed as 'Fourth Bidge'. Still, I knew I'd won the argument when Hemingway started calling me MISTER LIBRARIAN in a very sarcastic tone J That's it from me until 2014. David From: Carla Marchesan [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 25 May 2011 12:00 To: Buri, David; [log in to unmask] Subject: RE: AJ Buildings Online[Scanned-Clean] Not at all David, I think your comments are very pertinent indeed and just the sort of professional feed back and thorough analysis needed! I think this is exactly what we need to get back to AJ, as you said, this will benefit all at the end so that we can end up with a top product to everyone's satisfaction. It is this level of engagement that makes ARCLIB a valuable negotiating platform for the profession, and the more the better! And I couldn't agree more with the points you raised, thanks David, Carla Carla Marchesan Librarian The Prince's Foundation for the Built Environment 19-22 Charlotte Road, London EC2A 3SG [log in to unmask] Tel: 020 7613 8507 Fax: 020 7613 8599 The Prince's Foundation is a company limited by guarantee, no 3579567. Registered in England and Wales, the registered office is 19-22 Charlotte Road, EC2A 3SG. It is registered charity no 1069969 Click here to find out about the PFBE's Poundbury Series <http://www.princes-foundation.org/index.php?id=281> ________________________________ From: Architecture Librarians group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Buri, David Sent: 25 May 2011 11:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: AJ Buildings Online[Scanned-Clean] It's me again, sorry ... the more I think about this database, the more I feel that it throws up some really interesting issues, quite apart from the pricing. Janine suggested to us that the database would be grown by architectural practices, who would be encouraged to contribute content. While this is a nice and trendy idea, I'd be intrigued to know how much editorial control will be exercised in order to prevent the whole thing from degenerating into a glorified AJ-branded Flickr site. I got the impression at our meeting that the database is being driven forward pretty much by one person at the AJ; if this is still the case, will they have the time to ensure that only worthwhile projects are uploaded, let alone grapple with metadata quality, consistency and accuracy? It would also be good to get some reassurance that the database isn't going to be bloated out with endless examples of ghastly, second-rate PFI school and hospital projects, because I feel that we should be inspiring our students with the really good stuff. On the other hand, I don't want to want to see a database stuffed with 'starchitecture', either. I think it is legitimate for us to raise these issues because the AJ has such a good reputation, and I'm sure that those of us who do purchase this database will find that students are just going to plunge in and make heavy use of it, possibly at the expense of other resources which we might prefer them to consider alongside it. To some extent, our own professional reputations are on the line here as well - when we subscribe to a database and market it to our users, we're kind of saying that it comes with our seal of approval. I'm not picking on Janine or the AJ here, because this could be happening with any of the architectural magazines, they're just one of the first to try this model. But I think they're going about it the wrong way, and maybe we can gently help them with some of the issues that they've not considered properly, so that we can all end up with a excellent, sensibly-priced new resource. Or perhaps I'm fussing about nothing, and just need a holiday J David David Buri Academic Liaison Librarian Glasgow School of Art 167 Renfrew Street Glasgow G3 6RQ Scotland Tel: 0141 353 4701 Email: [log in to unmask] The Glasgow School of Art is a charity registered in Scotland, charity number SC012490. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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