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Thanks Bob, that offer of assistance is greatly appreciated I hope it doesnıt come to that and if it does then I really donıt have the time to do it. Particularly if it comes at a time in the academic year when we are very busy. Best Anne On 01/04/2011 11:12, "Robert Dunn" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hello Anne, > > If it is a problem of availability, and you needed somebody to collate the > information should you decide to go down that route Iıd be willing to help. > > Bob > > > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of [log in to unmask] > Sent: 01 April 2011 10:46 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] FW: [OCC-HEALTH] OHA's Salary > ['PureMessage.Watchdog': checked] ['Watchdog': checked] > > If it comes to it yes, that is what I had in mind. However, until asked by > anyone who audits the list I would rather not go down that route at the > moment Kevin and I would have to collect and store that information and there > are approx 1000 members of Jisc. > > Best > > Anne > > > On 01/04/2011 09:07, "Lawton, Cheryl (UK)" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > Hi List, > > Would it be worth each member making a statement of their study / work > situation and which email is preferred as evidence should the list be audited? > > Regards > > Cheryl > > > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of Smolen, Mary > Sent: 01 April 2011 08:42 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] FW: [OCC-HEALTH] OHA's Salary > ['PureMessage.Watchdog': checked] ['Watchdog': checked] > > *** WARNING *** > > This message has originated outside your organisation, > either from an external partner or the Global Internet. > Keep this in mind if you answer this message. > I for one use my work email address when communicating with/accessing JISC and > am also a bona fide OH student. I know a lot of my colleagues do the same. > Please do all you can to keep the list going it is such a useful resource > for students and practitioners alike. So many good contributors and so many > words of wisdom. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of [log in to unmask] > Sent: 31 March 2011 19:06 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] FW: [OCC-HEALTH] OHA's Salary ['PureMessage.Watchdog': > checked] ['Watchdog': checked] > > Hello Julia > Valid point I often do the same but the list is at serious risk of > folding. Kevin and I as co-managers have recently had serious discussions > about how long it will remain viable. > > It is HEFCE funded and we have already been advised that as such we should > have a minimum of 25% of subscribers emailing from a university address. I > disagree with that stance as it is an exchange of ideas amongst OH > professionals not academics and I have an argument up my sleeve that a number > of subscribers are students on a variety of OH courses but choose to respond > from their home or work email addresses . > > There are one or two OH practitioners who work in university OH services eg > Bob Dunne and very few academics who contribute to the list discussions > probably about three, including myself and Kevin who co=manage it with a > membership of approximately 1000! We are not kill-joys we both want the > resource to be available as an excellent exchange of thoughts and advice. > > Anne > > ------ Forwarded Message > From: Julia Wright <[log in to unmask]> > Reply-To: Occupational Health mailing list <> > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:04:44 +0100 > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] OHA's Salary ['PureMessage.Watchdog': checked] > ['Watchdog': checked] > > > Can I add that if I see a thread of emails in a subject that does not interest > me or I know are the usual suspects adding more and more to the same subject I > have the option to spend 0.00001 of a second hitting the delete button! > > > Julia Wright. RN, MSc Occupational Health, MHSC. > Occupational Health Advisor. > 07826513336 > > > Robert Dunn <[log in to unmask]> > Sent by: [log in to unmask] 31/03/2011 13:57 > Please respond to > Occupational Health mailing list <[log in to unmask]> > To > > > [log in to unmask] > > cc > Subject > > > Re: [OCC-HEALTH] OHA's Salary ['PureMessage.Watchdog': checked] ['Watchdog': > checked] > > > > > Hello Anne, > > I think you know me well-enough to know that Iıll occasionally throw in my 2p > worth! > > One of the strengths of JISC is that it is a networking site. Serious issues > are discussed and many members are assisted by not having to re-invent the > wheel, especially those that are maybe not as long-in-the-tooth as you and me > and although theyıve read the book, they havenıt quite got the tee-shirt. > > Wittering will always happen as individuals vary in how they describe issues > and how they react to different situations, and they may be writing just the > same as they speak not everyone is succinct. > > Friday funnyıs really round off for most of us what has been a very serious > and intense week, nobody should be censured for wanting to lighten their load, > and there are a lot of sole-practitioners on JISC whoıs main > professional/social at work interaction is via the board and the funnyıs are > an integral part of that. > > Should these valuable contributorsı who have left the board be as eminent and > worldly-wise as you indicate, they should be able to screen the chaff from > the wheatı and focus on what is relevant without criticism of others who may > not think as they do. > > To quote: One manıs (womanıs) meat is another manıs (womanıs) poison .. [got > to be PC here]. > > To change the dynamics of the board and become too straight laced would > probably lose more contributors than it would keep, to the detriment of what > we try to achieve by being on here in the first place that is, > disseminate evidence based knowledge and underpin sound OH practice. > > There, Iıve had my 2pıs worth > > Kind regards, Bob Dunn > > > > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of Anne Harriss > Sent: 31 March 2011 13:37 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] OHA's Salary > > > > Kevin and I have recently received information from people who had previously > been good contributors to this site. Unfortunately they have decided to leave > JISC due to what one person described as "chit chat which would be more > appropriate on a facebook site", anothEr complained of wittering and another > has commented on the inapproitiateness of "Friday Funnies". All had valid > points. Kevin and I are both very wary that JISC may die a death if active > contributors who share helpful information leave the list. > > In order that we do not lose any more valuable contributors might I suggest > that this forum is perhaps not the best place to hold such an exchange of > information. If you do feel you wish to add your 2p worth then please contact > Musa off list. > > Thank you for your co-operation. > > Anne Harriss > > Course Director > > LONDON SOUTH BANK UNIVERSITY > > > On Mar 30 2011, Employee Health Care wrote: > > > > > Hi List, > > I have been talking to few colleagues about the state of OHas, their salary > and career prospect. It is quite baffling when one looks at the job adverts on > recruitment websites, the poor salary being offered to qualified OHAs compared > to their specialist counterparts in the NHS. What do people think about this? > Is this a reflection of the status of occupational health in general or is it > due to the proliferation of OH providers whose main objective is to keep > salaries low and make lots of profit? In my observations the salaries being > offered to OHAs has not moved for the past three years, now compare that to > OHP, a complete ball of game. I think as a profession we needs to discuss > about this and find a way to raise our profile and halt the stagnation in > remuneration and status. 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